Current Events > Ex-Navy dude KILLS T-gender WOMAN that he was dating. Stabbed HER 119 times..

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OctilIery posted...

So much bigoted victim blaming in this topic.

The original victim is the navy guy though. The transgender basically committed assault/rape by not divulging their true identity in the two months that they spoke.


The only thing 'wrong' that the navy guy did was his vigilante justice. He should've let the police handle the transgender. That person should be in jail for rape.
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Steve Nick posted...

I wonder how many years in prison the transgender would've got if he hadn't killed her and had instead reported her to the authorities.

None? He consented to having sex with her. Maybe he shouldn't be hooking up with people at all if he is scared of them having a past.
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"the transgender"

how about "she"

or if even that makes you uncomfortable (you fucking jabroni)

how about "the victim"

FrenchCrunch posted...

"the transgender"

how about "she"

or if even that makes you uncomfortable (you fucking jabroni)

how about "the victim"

You gonna get offended at me using proper terms to describe things? The fact that the person is transgender is the key motivator in the story.
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A transgendered person's true identity is their identified gender. That is recognized by law.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

A transgendered person's true identity is their identified gender. That is recognized by law.

The true identity in this case was "Transgender Male-to-Female".
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Steve Nick posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

A transgendered person's true identity is their identified gender. That is recognized by law.

The true identity in this case was "Transgender Male-to-Female".

That isn't what the courts think.
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I'm an attack helicopter so call me "it".

Thugstar posted...

I'm an attack helicopter so call me "it".

If you have attack helicopter on your driver's license, sure. :u
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You guys act like people should be required to have sex with transgender people.

Nobody should have to have sex with a transgender if they don't want to, and if transgenders try to trick people into doing so, that should count as rape.

The reason the transgender in the OP didn't reveal it is because they didn't want to get rejected, plain and simple. Purposeful deceit.

I'm fine with transgenders arguing for their own rights, but forcing their lifestyle upon others isn't permissible.
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Steve Nick posted...

You guys act like people should be required to have sex with transgender people.

...what

FrenchCrunch posted...

Steve Nick posted...

You guys act like people should be required to have sex with transgender people.

...what

Well, you clearly don't think the transgender is at fault for not divulging their gender situation.

So you think transgenders should be able to trick people into having sex with them.

Am I correct, that that is your personal feelings on the subject?
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The fact that Steve thinks a transgender lying about their sexuality is a worse offense than stabbing somebody 119 times tell us everything we need to know about you. You have a seriously flawed moral compass.
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luckily being attracted to a woman, wanting to have sex with her, and then doing it doesn't qualify as a woman raping you
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Twinmold posted...

The fact that Steve thinks a transgender lying about their sexuality is a worse offense than stabbing somebody 119 times tell us everything we need to know about you. You have a seriously flawed moral compass.

You're just intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

I haven't condoned the stabbing in any of my posts.
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Steve Nick posted...

Well, you clearly don't think the transgender is at fault for not divulging their gender situation.

So you think transgenders should be able to trick people into having sex with them.

Am I correct, that that is your personal feelings on the subject?

you know what's really funny

Steve Nick posted...

You're just intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

lmao

I have an idle question, kind of poorly formed:

If the gender dysphoria that transgenders feel (and such dysphoria is "merely" a feeling/emotion/psychological-stress) that make them want to transition is itself enough are considered legitimate enough that one might not question them and then also accept them, why are so many people resistant to the idea that the feelings this ex-sailor of being raped were legitimate? To her, she was a woman and felt the need to transition. To him, she was a man and he was raped. What makes one more "real"?

Are they both not just, in the end, feelings? What's different here? For the sailor, he was directly affected by somebody else's actions. At least her feelings only affected her (until she made the actions she undertook [ie, transitioning]), up until, well, she involved other people.

I don't think this is an uncommon sentiment or "problem", and it interacts in an extremely new and weird way of human biology and identity (and will only get weirder as technology improves until eventually it's probably almost entirely accepted as standard - but that isn't now), so it seems different from an example situation of "well if it was a born biological woman that happened to be sterile, would it be rape if she didn't tell him?"

Note I'm not justifying the stabbing, just sort of defending the idea of the marine feeling raped, which some people seem to be entirely dismissing as legitimate, and in doing so are dismissing a lot of other peoples' feelings (those that would feel that it's rape to be deceived in such a way) where those feelings don't even affect other people until they are "deceived", so they seem fairly innocent beliefs to have - it's not like people are entitled to having sex with everybody, including those that feel like it would be rape, so they aren't being unfairly treated, are they?

All seems very odd, to me.
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Dragon239 posted...

To her, she was a woman and felt the need to transition. To him, she was a man and he was raped. What makes one more "real"?

she has a woman's brain, not a man's

she is also legally a woman

FrenchCrunch posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Well, you clearly don't think the transgender is at fault for not divulging their gender situation.

So you think transgenders should be able to trick people into having sex with them.

Am I correct, that that is your personal feelings on the subject?

you know what's really funny

Steve Nick posted...

You're just intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

lmao

I'm not misinterpretting anything or accusing you of anything. Just asked you a question. It was just a simple yes or no:

Do you think it should be permissible for transgenders to trick people into having sex with them by not divulging their gender?
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FrenchCrunch posted...

Marauder64 posted...

That goes without saying.....but indeed, it is 2017.... surgeries are getting so good now, it's easily hard to tell what is what...

if you cant tell then what's the difference

A female friend of mine had a bf who during sex with her changed out with his friend without telling her. The lights were out and she didn't figure it out until after it had happened.

But hey, she didn't notice when it was happening and she also never explicitly asked him before they started if he was going to swap in a friend, considering that would be a very statistically unlikely thing to need to ask someone first (just like trans people only making up 0.3% of the population) and hey if she cared about that happening she should've made sure to have them fill out a several page long questionnaire first because obviously that makes more sense than the dude just up front being like "most chicks wouldn't be interested in this, so I'll just make sure she knows what I want to do first and make sure she's cool with it." Nah that would be too easy it make too much sense, instead the deceitful person did nothing wrong and is actually the victim!

And who gives a fuck what someone's reasoning for not wanting to fuck a trans person is? If they don't want to, they don't want to and don't have to. When you're an outlier like trans people are, you should disclose it up front. That would be like if someone had a rare STD that only a fraction of a percent of the population has and then after you fucked them they were like "lol, I knowing just gave you ________, but it's not my fault because you didn't ask if I had it or notice during sex."
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FrenchCrunch posted...

Dragon239 posted...

To her, she was a woman and felt the need to transition. To him, she was a man and he was raped. What makes one more "real"?

she has a woman's brain, not a man's

she is also legally a woman

This part isn't necessarily true.

You're assuming that all transgenders have the condition of gender dysphoria. Which is -NOT- true.

Some people have gender dysphoria, but gender dysphoria is NOT a requirement for being a transgender.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Marauder64 posted...

That goes without saying.....but indeed, it is 2017.... surgeries are getting so good now, it's easily hard to tell what is what...

if you cant tell then what's the difference

A female friend of mine had a bf who during sex with her changed out with his friend without telling her. The lights were out and she didn't figure it out until after it had happened.

But hey, she didn't notice when it was happening and she also never explicitly asked him before they started if he was going to swap in a friend, considering that would be a very statistically unlikely thing to need to ask someone first (just like trans people only making up 0.3% of the population) and hey if she cared about that happening she should've made sure to have them fill out a several page long questionnaire first because obviously that makes more sense than the dude just up front being like "most chicks wouldn't be interested in this, so I'll just make sure she knows what I want to do first and make sure she's cool with it." Nah that would be too easy it make too much sense, instead the deceitful person did nothing wrong and is actually the victim!

And who gives a fuck what someone's reasoning for not wanting to fuck a trans person is? If they don't want to, they don't want to and don't have to. When you're an outlier like trans people are, you should disclose it up front. That would be like if someone had a rare STD that only a fraction of a percent of the population has and then after you fucked them they were like "lol, I knowing just gave you ________, but it's not my fault because you didn't ask if I had it or notice during sex."

Are you literally equating someone being transgender to a dude swapping out with his friend during sex

Holy fuck this board
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Thugstar posted...

I'm an attack helicopter so call me "it".

If you have attack helicopter on your driver's license, sure. :u

So if it's not on your driver's license then you aren't really what you identify as? Or what if what's on your driver's license isn't what you identify as?
You're less trans than the ones that do? You're not really what you identify as?

That sounds pretty bigoted and problematic.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

she has a woman's brain, not a man's
she is also legally a woman

They all have a distinctly female's brains rather than a male's brain? That's interesting. I don't know anything about that, unfortunately. Hmm.

I don't think legal is a very good justification... BUT it being a law does, I guess make it "realer" in a sort of way - however, laws aren't exactly "real" either, as they're just a thing we made up based on feelings. As noted in the thread before, that doesn't exactly make it not rape by deception (which is also a law), so it merely being a law might not be valid.

Our feelings/emotions and beliefs are not defined by the laws of the land we live in either, so mandating that they follow the laws isn't exactly going to work well and I think maybe saying as much is dangerous.
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Bio1590 posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Marauder64 posted...

That goes without saying.....but indeed, it is 2017.... surgeries are getting so good now, it's easily hard to tell what is what...

if you cant tell then what's the difference

A female friend of mine had a bf who during sex with her changed out with his friend without telling her. The lights were out and she didn't figure it out until after it had happened.

But hey, she didn't notice when it was happening and she also never explicitly asked him before they started if he was going to swap in a friend, considering that would be a very statistically unlikely thing to need to ask someone first (just like trans people only making up 0.3% of the population) and hey if she cared about that happening she should've made sure to have them fill out a several page long questionnaire first because obviously that makes more sense than the dude just up front being like "most chicks wouldn't be interested in this, so I'll just make sure she knows what I want to do first and make sure she's cool with it." Nah that would be too easy it make too much sense, instead the deceitful person did nothing wrong and is actually the victim!

And who gives a f*** what someone's reasoning for not wanting to f*** a trans person is? If they don't want to, they don't want to and don't have to. When you're an outlier like trans people are, you should disclose it up front. That would be like if someone had a rare STD that only a fraction of a percent of the population has and then after you f***ed them they were like "lol, I knowing just gave you ________, but it's not my fault because you didn't ask if I had it or notice during sex."

Are you literally equating someone being transgender to a dude swapping out with his friend during sex

Holy f*** this board

No I'm using the definitions people are giving of what is and isn't rape ITT. Based on what other's have said here that wouldn't constitute rape because she didn't notice until after it happened and was told. If she didn't know, what does it matter? She should've asked first, there was no deception or deceit because she didn't ask first.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

Bio1590 posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Marauder64 posted...

That goes without saying.....but indeed, it is 2017.... surgeries are getting so good now, it's easily hard to tell what is what...

if you cant tell then what's the difference

A female friend of mine had a bf who during sex with her changed out with his friend without telling her. The lights were out and she didn't figure it out until after it had happened.

But hey, she didn't notice when it was happening and she also never explicitly asked him before they started if he was going to swap in a friend, considering that would be a very statistically unlikely thing to need to ask someone first (just like trans people only making up 0.3% of the population) and hey if she cared about that happening she should've made sure to have them fill out a several page long questionnaire first because obviously that makes more sense than the dude just up front being like "most chicks wouldn't be interested in this, so I'll just make sure she knows what I want to do first and make sure she's cool with it." Nah that would be too easy it make too much sense, instead the deceitful person did nothing wrong and is actually the victim!

And who gives a f*** what someone's reasoning for not wanting to f*** a trans person is? If they don't want to, they don't want to and don't have to. When you're an outlier like trans people are, you should disclose it up front. That would be like if someone had a rare STD that only a fraction of a percent of the population has and then after you f***ed them they were like "lol, I knowing just gave you ________, but it's not my fault because you didn't ask if I had it or notice during sex."

Are you literally equating someone being transgender to a dude swapping out with his friend during sex

Holy f*** this board

No I'm using the definitions people are giving of what is and isn't rape ITT. Based on what other's have said here that wouldn't constitute rape because she didn't notice until after it happened and was told. If she didn't know, what does it matter? She should've asked first, there was no deception or deceit because she didn't ask first.

No you're introducing a completely different variable (not the same person) into the equation.

If you wanted to stay along the same "lines" you should have brought up someone with AIDs/HIV not telling someone until after they have sex.
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Bio1590 posted...

If you wanted to stay along the same "lines" you should have brought up someone with AIDs/HIV not telling someone until after they have sex.

AIDS/HIV has nothing to do with rape, and everything to do with assault/ infection/harm.
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If you consent to having sex with someone, as they are without any background information, you have no right to be upset with the person. You guys always talk about "personal responsibility", right? This is a wonderful example of that.

It isn't the transgendered person's job to inform you of anything. If you don't care enough to ask before you jump in to their bed, that is on you.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

Dragon239 posted...

To her, she was a woman and felt the need to transition. To him, she was a man and he was raped. What makes one more "real"?

she has a woman's brain, not a man's

she is also legally a woman

Lol a "woman's brain"? He was born a man. Whatever happened in that male mind that made him feel the need to attempt to change into a female, outwardly, by law, still doesn't change the fact they were born everybit, a man.

How about flamboyantly gay men, do they have a "woman's mind" too?
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Marauder64 posted...

How about flamboyantly gay men, do they have a "woman's mind" too?

Yes, according to bro-culture.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Marauder64 posted...

How about flamboyantly gay men, do they have a "woman's mind" too?

Yes, according to bro-culture.

I think you're just making up things to be offended by at this point.

Nobody accuses gay men of 'being women'.
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Bio1590 posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

Bio1590 posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Marauder64 posted...

That goes without saying.....but indeed, it is 2017.... surgeries are getting so good now, it's easily hard to tell what is what...

if you cant tell then what's the difference

A female friend of mine had a bf who during sex with her changed out with his friend without telling her. The lights were out and she didn't figure it out until after it had happened.

But hey, she didn't notice when it was happening and she also never explicitly asked him before they started if he was going to swap in a friend, considering that would be a very statistically unlikely thing to need to ask someone first (just like trans people only making up 0.3% of the population) and hey if she cared about that happening she should've made sure to have them fill out a several page long questionnaire first because obviously that makes more sense than the dude just up front being like "most chicks wouldn't be interested in this, so I'll just make sure she knows what I want to do first and make sure she's cool with it." Nah that would be too easy it make too much sense, instead the deceitful person did nothing wrong and is actually the victim!

And who gives a f*** what someone's reasoning for not wanting to f*** a trans person is? If they don't want to, they don't want to and don't have to. When you're an outlier like trans people are, you should disclose it up front. That would be like if someone had a rare STD that only a fraction of a percent of the population has and then after you f***ed them they were like "lol, I knowing just gave you ________, but it's not my fault because you didn't ask if I had it or notice during sex."

Are you literally equating someone being transgender to a dude swapping out with his friend during sex

Holy f*** this board

No I'm using the definitions people are giving of what is and isn't rape ITT. Based on what other's have said here that wouldn't constitute rape because she didn't notice until after it happened and was told. If she didn't know, what does it matter? She should've asked first, there was no deception or deceit because she didn't ask first.

No you're introducing a completely different variable (not the same person) into the equation.

If you wanted to stay along the same "lines" you should have brought up someone with AIDs/HIV not telling someone until after they have sex.

I alternatively did that though in the same post. The entire purpose of the first part was to point out the flaw with how black and white people are treating rape as if it has to be forced, against your will, sex. By that logic you could argue statutory rape doesn't exist. And yeah I know that introduces another variable as well, but you're completely missing the point.
And fucking someone you don't know is trans adds variables as well, not as bad as being underage or something but that doesn't undermine them. it's not a contest for what's the worst.
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Most straight men only want sex with biological women. You don't see women asking men if they are gay or only liking transgenders. They know most men are into women. So the burden of identifying partners who are into transgenders is on the trans. Deceiving a guy into expecting you are a biological woman is a risk because most guys will reject sex with transgenders. It is morally wrong to pursue that deception and it can only give you short term acceptance because the truth will come out.

If you talk about rights, don't forget the rights of the others to know who they're dealing with.

This is a key thing to keep in mind.

Much in the same vein that one can not dictate another person's gender identity, so too can one not dictate another person's gender preference. This is why disclosure is vital, not just for safety's sake, but because there's an air of selfishness when a transgender person demands personal recognition, but then adamantly refuses to even *consider* that of the person they're with.

If one can't/won't show mutual respect with regard to the other person's choice, then we can easily write off the stubborn party as a child-at-mind who frankly shouldn't be pretending they're mature enough to be having sex at all. Neither prejudice or deception are justified in this case or any other.
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Thugstar posted...

Most straight men only want sex with biological women. You don't see women asking men if they are gay or only liking transgenders. They know most men are into women. So the burden of identifying partners who are into transgenders is on the trans. Deceiving a guy into expecting you are a biological woman is a risk because most guys will reject sex with transgenders. It is morally wrong to pursue that deception and it can only give you short term acceptance because the truth will come out.

This. They know that statistically speaking most straight men want biological women, and they also know that they're in an outlier minority group that makes up less than 0.3% of the population. In a case like that, the burden falls on the person to disclose that. The only reason you'd without it is to intentionally be deceitful and get someone to sleep with you when they otherwise would not have.
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Thugstar posted...

Most straight men only want sex with biological women. You don't see women asking men if they are gay or only liking transgenders. They know most men are into women. So the burden of identifying partners who are into transgenders is on the trans. Deceiving a guy into expecting you are a biological woman is a risk because most guys will reject sex with transgenders. It is morally wrong to pursue that deception and it can only give you short term acceptance because the truth will come out.

It isn't a deception though. They obviously look like what the person wants in a sexual partner. That attraction is real. :u Blame your sex drive, don't blame the person you're attracted to. They have no responsibility to tell you anything.

You guys have no clue how consent works.
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RockRapDubstep posted...

This. They know that statistically speaking most straight men want biological women, and they also know that they're in an outlier minority group that makes up less than 0.3% of the population. In a case like that, the burden falls on the person to disclose that. The only reason you'd without it is to intentionally be deceitful and get someone to sleep with you when they otherwise would not have.

If they want biological women, then why are they pursuing hookups with non-biological women?
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Thugstar posted...

Most straight men only want sex with biological women. You don't see women asking men if they are gay or only liking transgenders. They know most men are into women. So the burden of identifying partners who are into transgenders is on the trans. Deceiving a guy into expecting you are a biological woman is a risk because most guys will reject sex with transgenders. It is morally wrong to pursue that deception and it can only give you short term acceptance because the truth will come out.

It isn't a deception though. They obviously look like what the person wants in a sexual partner. That attraction is real. :u Blame your sex drive, don't blame the person you're attracted to. They have no responsibility to tell you anything.

You guys have no clue how consent works.

A clothing brand imitation can look just like the real thing. The attraction is real. So the seller of imitations isn't deceiving anyone since you're attracted right?

Steve Nick posted...

The original victim is the navy guy though. The transgender basically committed assault/rape by not divulging their true identity in the two months that they spoke.

Yeah, no.

FrenchCrunch posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

I could say the exact same thing to you.

diff is youd be wrong and have no leg to stand on

Again, I could say the exact same thing to you.

See how this works?

Why don't you just let our differences exist and leave it alone?
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Thugstar posted...

I'm an attack helicopter so call me "it".

Sure.

Now, attack helicopters don't talk, so please be quiet.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

This. They know that statistically speaking most straight men want biological women, and they also know that they're in an outlier minority group that makes up less than 0.3% of the population. In a case like that, the burden falls on the person to disclose that. The only reason you'd without it is to intentionally be deceitful and get someone to sleep with you when they otherwise would not have.

If they want biological women, then why are they pursuing hookups with non-biological women?

Because they probably believe you to be a biological woman, since trans women are rare, and they would probably expect disclosure of that if it was the case. Like I said, for example you don't expect someone to have a rare disease or anything like that, and in the case that they do, you'd presumably expect their disclosure, right? You wouldn't think to ask that if you didn't have any reason to think that, right? You'd be pretty pissed if they didn't tell you until after, right? And then tried to blame you for not asking first.
Gender dysphoria and transgenderism are very rare and uncommon. It's possible to "pass" for a female well enough where it might not be immediately noticable.

It doesn't matter if they found the person attractive when they believed they were a woman. Someone doesn't need a reason to have the preferences they have. Trans people are more than well aware that most straight men or straight women aren't interested in them, so it should be disclosed in the same way disease history and stuff should be. You can even argue it isn't rape, but either way it's something on par with knowingly giving someone an STD or something, which is still a crime.
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Thugstar posted...

A clothing brand imitation can look just like the real thing. The attraction is real. So the seller of imitations isn't deceiving anyone since you're attracted right?

Trans women aren't imitations though. They are actual women. They just have a different set of circumstances. You don't need to know someone's circumstances to consent to having sex with them.
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The deplorables are out in full force today
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Thugstar posted...

Most straight men only want sex with biological women. You don't see women asking men if they are gay or only liking transgenders. They know most men are into women. So the burden of identifying partners who are into transgenders is on the trans. Deceiving a guy into expecting you are a biological woman is a risk because most guys will reject sex with transgenders. It is morally wrong to pursue that deception and it can only give you short term acceptance because the truth will come out.

It isn't a deception though. They obviously look like what the person wants in a sexual partner. That attraction is real. :u Blame your sex drive, don't blame the person you're attracted to. They have no responsibility to tell you anything.

You guys have no clue how consent works.

Eh? A lot of men are attracted to women. A man outwardly looking female by surgery, etc. and by a man made law that accepts the males thinking of himself is still deception if this is not disclosed to their mate. The mans sexual partner obviously wanted to have sex with a female, otherwise he'd be having sex with males. OOPS!

A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Trans women aren't imitations though. They are actual women.

No, they aren't.
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Steve Nick posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Marauder64 posted...

How about flamboyantly gay men, do they have a "woman's mind" too?

Yes, according to bro-culture.

I think you're just making up things to be offended by at this point.
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Welcome to CE
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Trans women aren't imitations though. They are actual women.

lmao

omg the level of brainwashing liberals have accomplished is unbelievable
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Thugstar posted...

A clothing brand imitation can look just like the real thing. The attraction is real. So the seller of imitations isn't deceiving anyone since you're attracted right?

Trans women aren't imitations though. They are actual women. They just have a different set of circumstances. You don't need to know someone's circumstances to consent to having sex with them.

ACTUAL women? No, they are not. A different set of circumstances? No you mean a different set of chromosomes. What if that male that had sex with a transgender that didn't disclose their actual gender wanted to have children? What then? Uh-oh.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

How is it rape if you were attracted enough to get into bed with the person in the first place? Your dick obviously didn't care they weren't a natural woman. :u

This is just going to make more and more trans people keep it secret. You guys could be smashing a transgender lady in the bed room and never know about it.

A good enough disguise could fool a dick

That doesn't mean most guys would choose to fuck a transsexual though

Why does no one care about the right of the man to have sex with who they want to??