Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 116: Procedural Drama

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The boy could have a disability. My 9 year old sister has Dyslexia and Dysgraphia, and her handwriting looks a lot worse than that. (Tho her spelling is better)

So Ulti isn't a man of his word.
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People go into the military and end up getting 100k+ in college tuition + books + housing when they get out, amongst other VA benefits.

I don't see much of a difference to going in for an operation tbq b. Plus it's not like thousands will be signing up just for that, and they'd still have to be fit enough to make it through basic and technical training before they'd even have a chance at looking into it. Military is hard work, I would know.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You have no idea how many absolutely fucked up non-trans people there are already serving.

Also this. >_>
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Stripperiffic posted...

The boy could have a disability. My 9 year old sister has Dyslexia and Dysgraphia, and her handwriting looks a lot worse than that. (Tho her spelling is better)

It looks like pretty typical little kid handwriting to me. My joke was that it was a fake letter >_>
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My cousin who is in the Marines once said "I think 72% of my group/squad/whatever they're called in basic training has Down Syndrome."

Best of the best indeed.
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If you're capable enough to pass the initial tests - including not depressed, suicidal, or taking active medicine - then I don't care if you do the surgery.

But the issue is in the follow-up and what gets you to that point. I highly doubt anybody is doing the surgery without HRT or will be off it after they're done. Kind of a catch 22 there, the surgery isn't an issue but everything related to it before and after might be.
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I'm waiting for the Republican plan where you can either get private healthcare/insurance or you can sign up for Obamacare, in which case you will have to appear before death panels to plead your case for why you deserve treatment.
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i don't really give a crap about this issue

however, i was still amused by this

http://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-transgender-medical-comparison-2017-7

maybe they should require a certain erectile strength to be allowed in the military, you know, to save costs
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LordoftheMorons posted...

It looks like pretty typical little kid handwriting to me. My joke was that it was a fake letter >_>

Yeah, but that spelling looks pretty off for a 9 year old.

https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/890289656834797568

:V
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Kinglicious posted...

Kind of a catch 22 there, the surgery isn't an issue but everything related to it before and after might be.

Then bar them on a case by case basis if HRT violates general military screening. Don't put a blanket ban on a group of people.

-FFDragon- posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You have no idea how many absolutely fucked up non-trans people there are already serving.

Also this. >_>

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If only he spelled it 'predisent' we'd know it was Trump's lawyer who wrote it
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It's amazing seeing people who never served a day in their life talking about what would be a "distraction" in the military.

yeah, i think we actually have quite a few people who have served here - if not in this topic then at least on the board.

i wonder how the people who've never served but still talk about the military as if they have an extreme amount of expertise on it (cough sephyg) look to them.
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It's actually Eric Tr...

I mean Dylan Miller, son of John Miller
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So skinny repeal is gonna pass?
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Skyridge87 posted...

Kinglicious posted...

Kind of a catch 22 there, the surgery isn't an issue but everything related to it before and after might be.

Then bar them on a case by case basis if HRT violates general military screening. Don't put a blanket ban on a group of people.

I agree with that. Same thing with raising the standards in general.
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TheRock1525 posted...

So skinny repeal is gonna pass?

Yes
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But all the bad stuff that causes will still be be Dems fault

Somehow
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My Immortal posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So skinny repeal is gonna pass?

Yes

Ew.
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So it sounds like McConnell's pitch for skinny repeal is "it'll get fixed in conference"

And of course, Ryan's pitch for AHCA was "it'll get fixed in the Senate"

If you're a member of Congress, how dumb do you have to be to honestly think conference will result in a bill that everyone's happy with?
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Kinglicious posted...

Skyridge87 posted...

Kinglicious posted...

Kind of a catch 22 there, the surgery isn't an issue but everything related to it before and after might be.

Then bar them on a case by case basis if HRT violates general military screening. Don't put a blanket ban on a group of people.

I agree with that. Same thing with raising the standards in general.

Raising them how? What are you basing it on?

Way to totally prove my point about non-military people (yes, this includes Trump) having no idea what they're talking about.

Because even with all the fuckups I mentioned, the mission still gets done.
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TheRock1525 posted...

So Ulti isn't a man of his word.

Color me shocked
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so assuming skinny repeal passes the Senate, what do we think is more likely?

Conference results in:
a) skinny repeal
b) AHCA
c) something BCRA-like

And for each scenario does it pass the House and/or Senate?

Note that the justification for a lot of Senators voting for skinny repeal now will be that they just want to "move the process along." That excuse will be gone for the final vote on whatever comes out of conference, but the pressure to pass anything and not be the person who killed repeal will also be maximized.
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So is Skinny repeal basically just "Let's repeal, and replace later! Because we'll totally come up with a plan in 2 years, even though we didn't when we had 7!"?
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Skinny repeal is whatever Mitch thinks can get 50 votes

The big thing is the repeal of the individual mandate. I'm not sure exactly what else is going to be in it.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

The piss-poor attitude you people have is what causes politics to be so vile, for the record. I have made no post in this topic that isn't purely civil or well-written.

while i don't endorse people insulting you for no reason, don't be surprised that after ages of "CALLED IT TOLD YOU SO VINDICATED" people don't immediately accept you when you say you've changed. it's going to take time to get the goodwill of the regulars in this topic.

edit: also, your "i was never the problem" claim makes me think that you haven't changed, or at least not sufficiently. you need to realize you were, at the very least, part of the problem.
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Easy way to get 50 votes;

Single Payer Healthcare. Tell the Republicans to vote for it. Dems will follow suit.

</dreamworld>
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Regaro posted...

Thinking is an incredibly high bar for Ulti to clear.

TheRock1525 posted...

So Ulti isn't a man of his word.

Peace___Frog posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So Ulti isn't a man of his word.

Color me shocked

People defend posts like this because "team blue". That's it.

I was never the problem here. The bullies were. Glad I've pretty much recused myself of the toxicity of this board, because I've moved on and the usual suspects never will. I think we've proven by now that unhappy people don't change unless they fix the guy in the mirror.

You sure look like you've moved on with this post!
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you were king bully for like a decade


people will come around if you don't regress
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-FFDragon- posted...

you were king bully for like a decade


people will come around if you don't regress

^^^


I'm surprised you dislike bullies, given your unrequited love for trump.
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But Ulti, how can TEAM BLUE be the culprit if you're a centrist who voted for Obama?

Or are you a Libertarian now?
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I mean I'll gladly unblock him and engage him in normal debate if he's willing to admit Trump is not LGBT friendly after this decision.
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Peace___Frog posted...

-FFDragon- posted...

you were king bully for like a decade


people will come around if you don't regress

^^^


I'm surprised you dislike bullies, given your unrequited love for trump.

He never actually said he dislikes bullies.
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Oh right, he only dislikes bullies who vote differently than he.
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It has been pointed out to me that the kid in the letter is named Dylan, and he's called Pickle.

So he's Dill Pickles.

Rugrats is eternal!
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Ultii posted...

Trans people in the military is probably fine by itself, but not in combat roles

I fail to see how specifically being trans would make one unsuited for a combat role. If they have mental issues, then it's the mental issues that's the problem. Not them being trans. Give a cis person and a trans person the exact same brain, and both of them would be unfit for combat if they'd be prone to hesitate/panic/snap.

I'm 100% fine with taxpayers paying for sex reassignment surgery because of the morons who were perfectly willing to waste money on bathroom laws. One serves a purpose, the other is nothing but fearmongering.


As for being surprised about a bunch of Trump supporters being anti-trans... you shouldn't be. Sorry to say, but our president attracts a lot of hateful people. Being different is a crime to them. No I'm not saying every single Trump supporter is like this. Of course that's not the case. But the hate coming from the Republican party right now is clear as day.



And lastly Ulti? Sorry if the board isn't giving you a fair shake, but you've literally been a dick towards people here for years. Proudly at that. You even previously claimed to turn over a new leaf... only to prove that you haven't the moment you got a bit of flak.

I'm really glad you're doing better, and I truly hope that you are being sincere but...

You can't expect most people to trust you again so quickly. You have a bad reputation, it's not going to go away overnight.
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The Marine corps study said "women on average are physically inferior, so we're banning all women."

The rational response to this was "You have standards, apply them to everyone. Yes a randomly-selected woman is less likely to pass than a randomly-selected man; so what?"

And that's what they did, and it worked, and it was beautiful.
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War is barbaric. Period. A man being on the frontlines shouldn't make a difference between a woman or transgendered. If they can pass the tests, they shouldn't be an issue. If they can't, don't let them. And it wouldn't be because "You're not a man" it will be "Because you didn't pass the test".

If a woman gave the exact same performance as a man, why should there be an issue with the woman being in a combat role?



It is the actual definition of a double standard otherwise.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/890256509916950528

Is this true?

While it has nothing to do with your question, I like how that woman says in a reply further down that women shouldn't have to be sharing barracks with men just because they say they're women

But then a little bit below that, she agrees with somebody who says women shouldn't be allowed in the military.

"Women should feel safe in the military! Also, women shouldn't be in the military!"
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

War is barbaric. Period. A man being on the frontlines shouldn't make a difference between a woman or transgendered. If they can pass the tests, they shouldn't be an issue. If they can't, don't let them. And it wouldn't be because "You're not a man" it will be "Because you didn't pass the test".

If a woman gave the exact same performance as a man, why should there be an issue with the woman being in a combat role?



It is the actual definition of a double standard otherwise.

Women shouldn't be fighting wars for the same reason we save women and children first. It baffles me that anyone is arguing otherwise.

what reason is that other than sexism
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As for there being a previous trans ban in the military.... I can't seem to find any confirmation about that. Just a bunch of "Trump is gonna ban trans" .

It sounds like "Don't Ask Don't Tell" however.
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