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ZMythos
07/26/17 6:47:43 PM
#454:


Mal_Fet posted...
It's a contition that involves a 40% suicide rate. There are way more mild mental conditions that get you disqualified than that.

And being homeless has similar figures. Doesn't make that a mental disorder, either.
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SSJ-JohnLennon
07/26/17 6:48:14 PM
#455:


ZMythos posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
It's a contition that involves a 40% suicide rate. There are way more mild mental conditions that get you disqualified than that.

And being homeless has similar figures. Doesn't make that a mental disorder, either.

Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.
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ZMythos
07/26/17 6:52:15 PM
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

Is being homeless a mental disorder? No.

Stop.
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SSJ-JohnLennon
07/26/17 6:54:06 PM
#457:


ZMythos posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

Is being homeless a mental disorder? No.

Stop.

But almost all homeless people have mental disorders...
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mario2000
07/26/17 7:01:27 PM
#458:


SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
ZMythos posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

Is being homeless a mental disorder? No.

Stop.

But almost all homeless people have mental disorders...

source
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chrono625
07/26/17 7:11:05 PM
#459:


ZMythos posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

Is being homeless a mental disorder? No.

Stop.


mental disorders can be a cause of homelessness.

where were you going with this?
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SSJ-JohnLennon
07/26/17 7:11:12 PM
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CEs_EFG
07/26/17 7:43:22 PM
#461:


bretonftw posted...


I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

Shit Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity
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chrono625
07/26/17 7:44:17 PM
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chrono625 posted...
if trangenderism isn't a mental condition, then the medication and surgery shouldn't be covered by insurance and should be paid out of pocket in full. Feel free to serve, but don't expect the government to pay for the treatments.

if trangenderism is a mental condition, it should be covered BUT if it is labeled a condition you would be disqualified from joining the military given how they disqualify many people for much less.

which is it?


can someone answer this?
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EffectAndCause
07/26/17 8:01:59 PM
#463:


Joining the military has always yielded benefits. People join to pay for college.

Paying for transgender services should be their benefit.
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Sada_Pop
07/26/17 9:18:32 PM
#464:


CEs_EFG posted...
tremain07 posted...
I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred.


this is probably the best post ITT

It's pretty amazing. They haven't created words that describe just how much of a piece of shit he thinks Admiral is. He ain't wrong though.
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ZMythos
07/26/17 9:22:15 PM
#465:


chrono625 posted...


mental disorders can be a cause of homelessness.

where were you going with this?

If you followed the conversation at all, Mal in his infinite wisdom said that the high suicide rate among transgenders somehow qualifies them to have a mental disorder. I said that homelessness has nearly identical suicide rates, but being homeless in and of itself is not a mental disorder.

The rest of it was shitposting by others.
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Terra-enforcer
07/27/17 12:53:13 AM
#467:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
The anti-Trump force is looking pretty silly itt. This decision makes sense for the most obvious reasons. Though I gotta love how the libbie response to anyone supporting this is just "tens of millions of dollars? Who cares!" and "yeah they're mentally ill...so what?"

I haven't seen a decent argument proving why this decision by Trump is a bad one. It's not like the military hasn't discriminated before based on health condition.


@Terra-enforcer blanket ruining are (extremely) rarely a good thing.

I haven't seen a decent argument proving why blanket rulings are good ones.

This is a good example. Pretty sure most would agree that saving tens of millions of dollars is a decent argument.
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RchHomieQuanChi
07/27/17 1:19:47 AM
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My favorite part is people suddenly caring about people with "mental illness" getting access to firearms.


But when we actually discuss gun control? Lol no.
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GAMER_X
07/27/17 1:27:37 AM
#469:


>people are actually crying about how horrible it is that they can't go be human meat shields and cannon fodder for the imperialistic warmachines agendas

That's quite a hill to pick die on, yikes....
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gunplagirl
07/27/17 3:11:04 AM
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It's funny. We spend more on Viagra for soldiers a year than this would cost for trans care.

We've also spent more on trump maralago trips this year than several years for all trans care throughout the nation.
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gunplagirl
07/27/17 3:24:21 AM
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Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing. And the fact that he's been increasing military spending which incidentally increases his personal wealth
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bretonftw
07/27/17 3:29:03 AM
#472:


CEs_EFG posted...
bretonftw posted...


I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

Shit Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.
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Mal_Fet
07/27/17 5:17:44 AM
#473:


@gunplagirl posted...
Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)
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stevethewindow
07/27/17 5:33:35 AM
#474:


Nearly a 500 post topic... probably the true amount of transgender in the active military. Out of 2 million
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ThePredominate
07/27/17 6:15:10 AM
#475:


Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head fuck that could be.
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EffectAndCause
07/27/17 6:21:23 AM
#476:


stevethewindow posted...
Nearly a 500 post topic... probably the true amount of transgender in the active military. Out of 2 million


But we can't afford them!
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gunplagirl
07/27/17 7:47:09 AM
#477:


Mal_Fet posted...
@gunplagirl posted...
Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)

Ah yes top commanders such as... He didn't name any. Oh and of course the fact he has done at least one major repeal of trans rights a month since taking office.

But hey, you're right that your "facts" are dense and pointlessly convoluted by inaccuracies like oils.
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gunplagirl
07/27/17 7:48:02 AM
#478:


ThePredominate posted...
Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head fuck that could be.

Gosh you don't understand a thing. "I don't get it, therefore it's bad and get it away"
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thelovefist
07/27/17 8:19:32 AM
#480:


This dumpster fire of a topic is still burning eh.
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Howl
07/27/17 9:00:56 AM
#481:


Glass_Phantom posted...
This is graceful.


FTFY
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ThePredominate
07/27/17 9:57:05 AM
#482:


Conflict posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head fuck that could be.


Are you 5 years old lmao


I'm not sure what you're implying? Also gunplagirl what don't I understand? Maybe you just never thought about it but changing your sex wreaks havoc on your mind and body. Hormone therapy is fucked up.
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Billy_Shakesbad
07/27/17 10:00:09 AM
#483:


This is common sense, of course CE hates it lol
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MasterMacLeod
07/27/17 11:20:35 AM
#484:


Mal_Fet posted...
@gunplagirl posted...
Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)


No he didn't
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BLAKUboy
07/27/17 11:32:39 AM
#486:


Bullet_Wing posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

Sooo, this might be not happening after all

That says nothing of the sort.
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SSJ-JohnLennon
07/27/17 11:55:48 AM
#487:


BLAKUboy posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

Sooo, this might be not happening after all

That says nothing of the sort.

Bullet isn't known for reading comprehension.
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BLAKUboy
07/27/17 12:10:04 PM
#489:


Bullet_Wing posted...
And yeah, that, in conjunction with
http://www.businessinsider.com/mattis-vacation-appaulled-trump-trans-ban-2017-7

Shows he might be having second thoughts after getting his hand slapped.

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BLAKUboy posted...
That says nothing of the sort.

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Mark_DeRosa
07/27/17 12:11:17 PM
#490:


MAGA
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s0nicfan
07/27/17 12:24:28 PM
#491:


bretonftw posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
bretonftw posted...


I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

Shit Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy
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Steve Nick
07/27/17 12:24:58 PM
#492:


s0nicfan posted...
bretonftw posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
bretonftw posted...


I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

Shit Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy



they're not. they're not gonna get deployed.
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Mark_DeRosa
07/27/17 12:25:38 PM
#493:


Steve Nick posted...
s0nicfan posted...
bretonftw posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
bretonftw posted...


I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

Shit Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy



they're not. they're not gonna get deployed.

So not worth
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BLAKUboy
07/27/17 12:26:32 PM
#494:


I'm helping.
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thelovefist
07/27/17 12:30:25 PM
#495:


Can I help too?
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Caution999
07/27/17 12:31:51 PM
#496:


Get on the Trump Train People
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Caution999
07/27/17 12:32:23 PM
#497:


"but mUH FEELINGS!!"

"MUH RUSSIA!"
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Mandasnake
07/27/17 12:32:32 PM
#498:


Gomma get 500
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Howl
07/27/17 12:32:32 PM
#499:


Last
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BLAKUboy
07/27/17 12:32:34 PM
#500:


Caution999 posted...
Get on the Trump Train People

But it's on fire. At the bottom of the ocean.
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