Current Events > How is Islam any different from Christianity?

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is this a dumb question or what.
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Skatz95 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uem_0GQP-zY

i have no idea who this guy is, but he is fucking awesome.
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Mal_Fet posted...

DreadedWave posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

The bible doesn't say that you need to kill everyone who isn't a Christian

Deuteronomy 13 6-9

"6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death."

This is more relevant to Judaism than to Christianity.

"Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" Matthew 5:18

Jesus believed in following the Old Testament.
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Christians allow women to drive, vote, go out in public without handlers, wear what they want and don't mutilate their genitalia so that they don't enjoy sex. Did I miss anything?
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In what way or context. Overall or currently?
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Gamer99z posted...

*grabs popcorn*

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Matthew 5:17 gives us the testament of Jesus on why we Christians still follow the Law (10 Commandments.) All the other rules given in books like Deuteronomy no longer apply, because those rules were specific to Jewish religion; which we are no longer a part of because of the sacrifice of Christ.
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Mal_Fet posted...

DreadedWave posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

The bible doesn't say that you need to kill everyone who isn't a Christian

Deuteronomy 13 6-9

"6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death."

This is more relevant to Judaism than to Christianity.

Nah. The old testament is still part of Christianity.
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lmao at the responses. Neckbeards thinking their basement dwelling taught them all there is to know about religion.
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

Menardi posted...

Going through this thread, I see literally no difference.

Maybe spend time going through a list of terrorist attacks this year instead of this thread. You'll see the difference immediately.

There's been a lot of murders by christian extremists this year. More by body count than radical Islam in the united states.

Can't say the same about Europe, but Christianity in Europe makes it so you have places like Ireland with no abortions allowed and women dying in childbirth at rates no other nation that developed has

Name those "Christian extremists" please. LOL
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Callixtus posted...

Ilishe posted...

Spend a year in a Christian country of your choice (just about anywhere in the EU to be honest, for example).

Now spend a year in a Muslim country, maybe Qatar. Qatar is quite spectacular if you don't mind the slavery and all that.

The thing is there aren't really any "Christian" countries left, except for maybe the Vatican. Even the few countries that have Christianity as the official religion, like Norway or Denmark, mostly just do so for purposes of tradition. The Church doesn't have much real authority in those countries, if it isn't completely powerless. Today, we have countries with majority Christian populations, but that's the best you get. This is quite different from a Saudi Arabia or a Pakistan, where the religion and the state are inseparable.

Good post. These "Christian" countries are actually secular in Government. Theocracies, be they Islamic or Christian, are equally dangerous and oppressive.
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It's always amusing to see islamophobes tell me what my religion is about. It's almost as if they know better about it contextually as outsiders who've most likely never read the Quran in its entirety with an actual scholar interpretation. Every Muslim woman in my life has neither been forbidden from driving or being out in public nor had their genitals mutilated. And all my life, I've never had a religious scholar (or anyone for that matter) preach intolerance of other religions and justify their slaughter. In fact, I've instead been taught to be actively against all forms of oppression including that of women and lgtbq individuals. Damn! Myself and every other Muslim that I've interacted with in my life must've been taught an incorrect intepretation of Islam cuz y'all certainly know better about it than the so called "Muslims" that I've grown up around
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DragonMaster525 posted...

Matthew 5:17 gives us the testament of Jesus on why we Christians still follow the Law (10 Commandments.) All the other rules given in books like Deuteronomy no longer apply, because those rules were specific to Jewish religion; which we are no longer a part of because of the sacrifice of Christ.

Read Jesus' response...
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The Deadpool posted...

DragonMaster525 posted...

Matthew 5:17 gives us the testament of Jesus on why we Christians still follow the Law (10 Commandments.) All the other rules given in books like Deuteronomy no longer apply, because those rules were specific to Jewish religion; which we are no longer a part of because of the sacrifice of Christ.

Read Jesus' response...

What response? 5:17 through 5:20 clearly states that the Law is still to be upheld. But other passages such as 15:11 show that old Jewish rules that the pharisees were enforcing no longer apply.

We also have the passages of Luke 10:25-10:28 stating the Golden Rule; Follow the Law of God, and love thy neighbor as thyself. Nothing else matters.
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Ammonitida posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

DreadedWave posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

The bible doesn't say that you need to kill everyone who isn't a Christian

Deuteronomy 13 6-9

"6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death."

This is more relevant to Judaism than to Christianity.

Nah. The old testament is still part of Christianity.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
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Zembaphobia posted...

It's always amusing to see islamophobes tell me what my religion is about. It's almost as if they know better about it contextually as outsiders who've most likely never read the Quran in its entirety with an actual scholar interpretation. Every Muslim woman in my life has neither been forbidden from driving or being out in public nor had their genitals mutilated. And all my life, I've never had a religious scholar (or anyone for that matter) preach intolerance of other religions and justify their slaughter. In fact, I've instead been taught to be actively against all forms of oppression including that of women and lgtbq individuals. Damn! Myself and every other Muslim that I've interacted with in my life must've been taught an incorrect intepretation of Islam cuz y'all certainly know better about it than the so called "Muslims" that I've grown up around

Well, there you have it. Islam is utopia. I can't wait to see how awesome all the nations of the world will be when everyone converts.
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The ten commandments are great sociale rules. Everybody respecting these would make Good triumph.

Zembaphobia posted...

It's always amusing to see islamophobes tell me what my religion is about. It's almost as if they know better about it contextually as outsiders who've most likely never read the Quran in its entirety with an actual scholar interpretation. Every Muslim woman in my life has neither been forbidden from driving or being out in public nor had their genitals mutilated. And all my life, I've never had a religious scholar (or anyone for that matter) preach intolerance of other religions and justify their slaughter. In fact, I've instead been taught to be actively against all forms of oppression including that of women and lgtbq individuals. Damn! Myself and every other Muslim that I've interacted with in my life must've been taught an incorrect intepretation of Islam cuz y'all certainly know better about it than the so called "Muslims" that I've grown up around

i agree with you, i don't know nearly as much about islam as you do. but talk to gavi. he was raised in the islamic faith. he can give you an insider perspective on why he dislikes islam. because he lived it.
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teepan95 posted...

lmao at the responses. Neckbeards thinking their basement dwelling taught them all there is to know about religion.

Irony.
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It is not very much different. The Islamic world is simply at a different point in its social development than the Western world is.

Unfortunately, the Islamic world has backslid in its social development over the last fifty years due to outside forces competing for power. The Soviet Union's military invasion of Afghanistan, followed by America's support for ultra-conservative Mujahadeen, tore that country apart and turned it into a backwards-thinking hellhole. The same can be said for places like Syria and Iraq.

People are shaped by their realities. Unfortunately, we usually do the *easy* thing and dismiss certain behavior as "religious" or "cultural," full stop. By essentializing it we're relieved from the task of truly explaining its origins.

It's a lazy thing to ascribe anything we don't want to unpack as "cultural." Culture is fluid; it changes as the contexts around it change. But we in the West keep barking at the effects instead of tackling causes.

For example, are revenge killings "culture," or are they what becomes normalized in societies with no faith in due process of law?

Is sectarianism "culture," or is it what happens in countries whose borders were drawn arbitrarily after WW1, and a century later, stick lack for citizenship and cohesive national identity?

It isn't the truth that Islam is a uniquely barbaric religion, or that it's substantially different than Christianity. Rather, the gatekeeprs of Islam -- the Islamic equivalent to the Catholic Church -- are all themselves dictators, who rule in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran and keep the people well-fed on a steady diet of perverse interpretations, in order to control them, and to keep them in line. What the Middle East needs isn't more war, it's peace, education, democracy, and time. Cure the Middle East of dictatorship and you will cure what's wrong with the Islamic world.

@-Gavirulax-

“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

- Matthew 9:16-17


The Old Testament is separate from Jesus' word.
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DreadedWave posted...

myzz7 posted...

get that old testament crap outta here.

"I just ignore the parts of my holy text that contradict what I've decided is true"

To be fair, Christians are followers of Christ. So if Christ says things that contradict with the Old Testament, a Christian will go with what Christ says.
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

DreadedWave posted...

myzz7 posted...

get that old testament crap outta here.

"I just ignore the parts of my holy text that contradict what I've decided is true"

To be fair, Christians are followers of Christ. So if Christ says things that contradict with the Old Testament, a Christian will go with what Christ says.

nail on head.
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Zembaphobia posted...

It's always amusing to see islamophobes tell me what my religion is about. It's almost as if they know better about it contextually as outsiders who've most likely never read the Quran in its entirety with an actual scholar interpretation. Every Muslim woman in my life has neither been forbidden from driving or being out in public nor had their genitals mutilated. And all my life, I've never had a religious scholar (or anyone for that matter) preach intolerance of other religions and justify their slaughter. In fact, I've instead been taught to be actively against all forms of oppression including that of women and lgtbq individuals. Damn! Myself and every other Muslim that I've interacted with in my life must've been taught an incorrect intepretation of Islam cuz y'all certainly know better about it than the so called "Muslims" that I've grown up around

Oh you're one of those Muslims. Well, come back when rifts in your doctrine stops resluting in you chums murdering each other in droves over differences of opinion. Because until then I'm not sure who to believe, just like your muslim scholars.
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The main difference is that there are many more Muslims actively in favor of a theocracy than Christians, who are comparatively more content with having their viewpoints play an advisory role in secular government.

They aren't different in the sense that there's no good reason to believe either is true, though.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

- Matthew 9:16-17


The Old Testament is separate from Jesus' word.

That would have been my second go-to verse.

The law was a schoolmaster to show that we couldn't save ourselves, and so we needed a more perfect sacrifice, which was fulfilled in Christ. If we still had to follow the law, it would mean that our faith in Christ isn't sufficient enough to save us and his sacrifice was in vain.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

- Matthew 9:16-17


The Old Testament is separate from Jesus' word.

I think that's a pretty egregiously misinterpretation of Jesus's attitude towards the Pharisees. Furthermore, you've omitted the same passage from Luke 5:36-39, which concludes with "And none of you, after drinking old wine, wants the new, for you say, ‘The old is better.’" There's a lot more to that verse than what you've read into it, but sadly it isn't the first time I've seen this particular verse misapplied to elevate Christianity above Judaism and the Old Testament, and put those words into our Savior's mouth.

Nice taking that completely out of context.
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teepan95 posted...

lmao at the responses. Neckbeards thinking their basement dwelling taught them all there is to know about religion.

I'm clean shaven and live in an attic, thank you.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

The main difference is that there are many more Muslims actively in favor of a theocracy than Christians, who are comparatively more content with having their viewpoints play an advisory role in secular government.

@Dragonblade01 Is there something innate about Muslims that causes them to favor living under a theocracy? Or are Sunni Muslims who've suffered under a Shia government for the past fifteen years -- which has discriminated against them, denied them opportunity and power and economic mobility -- simply more likely to rally to a Sunni uprising, which gives them jobs and puts food on their tables, and also happens to be theocratic?

Because that's what happened in Iraq under ISIS, and yet you've completely neglected that nuance.

Glass_Phantom posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

- Matthew 9:16-17


The Old Testament is separate from Jesus' word.

I think that's a pretty egregiously misinterpretation of Jesus's attitude towards the Pharisees. Furthermore, you've omitted the same passage from Luke 5:36-39, which concludes with "And none of you, after drinking old wine, wants the new, for you say, ‘The old is better.’" There's a lot more to that verse than what you've read into it, but sadly it isn't the first time I've seen this particular verse misapplied to elevate Christianity above Judaism and the Old Testament, and put those words into our Savior's mouth.

Why is your interpretation correct?

That verse from Luke is exactly the same as the Matthew verse other than the line, "And none of you, after drinking old wine, wants the new, for you say, ‘The old is better.’"

I think Jesus says that regrettably, implying that despite the Son of God coming to Earth to save the people, so many people will not accept him. This fits in with the the way a lot of people react to Jesus, as well as Jesus' general attitude.
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DragonMaster525 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

DragonMaster525 posted...

Matthew 5:17 gives us the testament of Jesus on why we Christians still follow the Law (10 Commandments.) All the other rules given in books like Deuteronomy no longer apply, because those rules were specific to Jewish religion; which we are no longer a part of because of the sacrifice of Christ.

Read Jesus' response...

What response? 5:17 through 5:20 clearly states that the Law is still to be upheld.

Then why are you arguing?

Word of God.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

The main difference is that there are many more Muslims actively in favor of a theocracy than Christians, who are comparatively more content with having their viewpoints play an advisory role in secular government.

@Dragonblade01 Is there something innate about Muslims that causes them to favor living under a theocracy? Or are Sunni Muslims who've suffered under a Shia government for the past fifteen years -- which has discriminated against them, denied them opportunity and power and economic mobility -- simply more likely to rally to a Sunni uprising, which gives them jobs and puts food on their tables, and also happens to be theocratic?

Because that's what happened in Iraq under ISIS, and yet you've completely neglected that nuance.

The reason behind it doesn't change the reality of it, no matter the history or complexity behind that reason. It doesn't need to be an innate feature of the religion, and I never implied that it must be (that's why I referred to the practitioners of the religion and not to the religion itself).

It may be perfectly understandable that, due to the history of the areas and populations involved, that groups are drawn towards theocratic governments. This is especially true if it is replacing a government that had previously oppressed them.

But that still doesn't change what I said. If anything, it simply provides more evidence for and helps explain the present reality.
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Zembaphobia posted...

It's always amusing to see islamophobes tell me what my religion is about. It's almost as if they know better about it contextually as outsiders who've most likely never read the Quran in its entirety with an actual scholar interpretation. Every Muslim woman in my life has neither been forbidden from driving or being out in public nor had their genitals mutilated. And all my life, I've never had a religious scholar (or anyone for that matter) preach intolerance of other religions and justify their slaughter. In fact, I've instead been taught to be actively against all forms of oppression including that of women and lgtbq individuals. Damn! Myself and every other Muslim that I've interacted with in my life must've been taught an incorrect intepretation of Islam cuz y'all certainly know better about it than the so called "Muslims" that I've grown up around

r/exmuslim

check it out some time
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Jesus says in Matthew 5:20: "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

IMO that is clearly sarcasm.

He also contradicts the Law himself many times, and he sums up the Law in the Golden Rule.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Why is your interpretation correct?

That verse from Luke is exactly the same as the Matthew verse other than the line, "And none of you, after drinking old wine, wants the new, for you say, ‘The old is better.’"

I think Jesus says that regrettably, implying that despite the Son of God coming to Earth so many people will not accept him. This fits in with the the way a lot of people react to Jesus, as well as Jesus' general attitude.

Because what is Christianity now, after 2000 years, if not an old wineskin? All wineskins will eventually turn hard and rigid, just as religious institutions become inflexible with age. The point Jesus was making wasn't that the old wineskins should be tossed out. The point was that, like a wine fermenting from grain, a wineskin must be able to stretch itself, for otherwise the gases resulting from the fermentation would burst the vessel and the wine stretch all over the floor; likewise the people would need to be flexible, able to stretch themselves in new ways in order to become the vessels for Jesus's teachings. The Old Testament is a sacred part of Chrsitian doctrine, just like the New. If Jesus meant to teach that we should throw it out like an old wineskin, then why is it even a part of the good book?

Damn_Underscore posted...

Jesus says in Matthew 5:20: "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

IMO that is clearly sarcasm.

He also contradicts the Law himself many times, and he sums up the Law in the Golden Rule.

Jesus had no problem with the teaching of the Pharisees, only the way their lack of living those teachings out. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.'" Matthew 23:1-4. The problem was they weren't Jewish enough, not that their beliefs were antiquated and ought be discarded.

People are able to change themselves. They aren't like literal wineskines. A wineskin is made and then only can deteriorate. A person is able to learn new things and change his ways for his entire life, so he can become a new wineskin. So a person stretching himself is not good enough. He needs to become a new wineskin.

The Old Testament, IMO, has its place as a book of origin stories and a general history book, as well as a book of poetry. But Jesus' word replaces it as a sacred text.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Because what is Christianity now, after 2000 years, if not an old wineskin?

You're missing the point entirely. The law pointed towards Christ, the perfect lamb without blemish. Once he was sacrificed the veil in the temple that separated the holy of holies from the rest of the Temple was torn down, meaning we no longer need a high priest to make intercession for our sins, because Christ is our high priest.
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They are both jokes, but fairly different.
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WhinyZach posted...

Is there a country where Christians are systematically killing Muslims?

I had to leave my home country because the muslims there were killing everyone who wasnt muslim.

That's awful. Where are you from?

The Deadpool posted...

DragonMaster525 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

DragonMaster525 posted...

Matthew 5:17 gives us the testament of Jesus on why we Christians still follow the Law (10 Commandments.) All the other rules given in books like Deuteronomy no longer apply, because those rules were specific to Jewish religion; which we are no longer a part of because of the sacrifice of Christ.

Read Jesus' response...

What response? 5:17 through 5:20 clearly states that the Law is still to be upheld.

Then why are you arguing?

Word of God.

The Law is specifically the 10 Commandments, not the entirety of the Old Testament and the old Jewish rules.
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Islam is how popular culture portrays Satanic cults.

Only with a shittier dress code and lacking black metal undertones.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Jesus says in Matthew 5:20: "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

IMO that is clearly sarcasm.

He also contradicts the Law himself many times, and he sums up the Law in the Golden Rule.

Jesus had no problem with the teaching of the Pharisees, only the way their lack of living those teachings out. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.'" Matthew 23:1-4. The problem was they weren't Jewish enough, not that their beliefs were antiquated and ought be discarded.

That verse is titled "A Warning Against Hypocrisy". So the Pharisees' hypocrisy is the main point of the verse, not that the people must follow the Law. Once again Jesus contradicts the Law himself many times and sums up the Law with the Golden Rule.

We obviously believe similar, but different things so we will have to agree to disagree.
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It doesn't accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and God in the Koran is far more violent and and bloodthirsty than the Old Testament.

So let me get this straight

Islam
-non-believers go to hell
-think their god is the real one
-holy book preaches murdering

Christianity
-non-believers go to hell
-think their god is the real one
-holy book preaches murdering

Yeah, not seeing the difference.

You are like the Pharisees in Jesus' time
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Damn_Underscore posted...

You are like the Pharisees in Jesus' time