Current Events > Castlevania on netflix... Kinda 3edgy5me SPOILERS

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Trevors entire persona and dialogue seem written by a 13 year old.

Often mumbling, not caring- declaring he doesnt care, but then caring, telling people to shut up.

He tells the speakers they're leaving sword in hand but its a misdirection he really just puts them in draculas castle fpr safe keeping?

And the whole anti church theme screams edgy.

It wasn't that good honestly. 6/10 imo.
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The show just isn't very good in general. I feel like half the hype is just because it's not quite as terrible as most VG adaptations.
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Its quality reminds me of the newest dc animated movies.

Look decent but lackluster story and characterization
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You're right. Trevor is your basic rebellious bitterbeard don't give a shit pretentious passive aggressive shit edgelord. But good thing there are other things in that show that is appealing other than him. Kinda like how Tobey wasn't too good in Spider-Man but his supporting cast and other things more than makes up for it to be a great movie.
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You're surprised the castlevania series has an anti-church theme? :u
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Almost all fantasy fiction nowadays is anti church themed.

Don't know why anyone is still bothered.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're surprised the castlevania series has an anti-church theme? :u

I havent seen much of an anti church theme in the Castlevanias I've played (gba and ds games, a bit in LoS series).
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At least there's some backstory on why he comes off so apathetic and "edgy" as you guys put it. Could be the typical anime trope where he's the lazy gifted slacker for no reason.
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salandrews posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're surprised the castlevania series has an anti-church theme? :u

I havent seen much of an anti church theme in the Castlevanias I've played (gba and ds games, a bit in LoS series).

You weren't paying attention.
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dolomedes posted...

hate trevor, like the rest of the series.

partly because it reminds me of metalocalypse tho...

Yhis
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justaguy3492 posted...

Could be the typical anime trope where he's the lazy gifted slacker for no reason.

That guys just like me im a lazy slacker just nobody sees that im gifted but mommy i am though right i love anime because it gets me like they never will sowhat if im a kissless virgin ill get them some day
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Warren Ellis is that kind of writer.
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Im glad they didn't go with Soma. He's an actual teenager with a love interest and Dracula incarnate.

Imagine how edgy they would have made him...
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I thought it was entertaining. Not great, but exactly the level of quality I expect from an animated Castlevania series.
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he only seemed to care when it came to fulfilling his family duty or other groups he had a past relationship with.
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Yeah but it was that edgy form of caring that kids think makes you look cool when really you look like a jackass.

They could have replaced him with Shadow the hedgehog and not much would've changed
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I thought it was bloody fantastic. Surprised you didn't like it. Oh well

In depth, Trevor's character was fine to me. We don't have a lot of backstory on him yet so yeah...he comes off as a guy who generally does care for people but doesn't want to get involved. He's witty and clearly does have a tipping point when it comes to the innocent people around him. This will probably be further explained once they get into his backstory.

Overall, as someone who went in with mild expectations, I was blown away by both the animation and the writing. It's a great opener to a hopefully great series.
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Castlevania is incredibly light on plot, though it occasionally tries to not be such and fails. At heart though it's a weird mishmash of random monster movies crammed into a magical castle. Background stuff like the church, or the characterization of each belmont, is either completely useless fluff or ultimately inconsequential and changes every game. I have no problem with them taking the source material and trying to turn it into something interesting because at face value it's something super fun to play, but I couldn't imagine trying to sit through a straight faced attempt at a game-canon Castlevania show
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

But good thing there are other things in that show that is appealing other than him. Kinda like how Tobey wasn't too good in Spider-Man but his supporting cast and other things more than makes up for it to be a great movie.

What?! Tobey Maguire was decent in Spider-Man. He has a quiet intelligence that fits Peter Parker, which makes it a good contrast for his persona when he puts on the mask. My only complaint is that, as Peter Parker, he always seemed on the verge of crying or literally was crying in a bunch of scenes. Of course, Peter has a lot of inner turmoil, so maybe he should be that way.

As for Castlevania, it's amusing that just a week or two ago, it seemed like people were saying it was a very good movie. I'm going to have see it soon and make up my own mind.
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Trevor's mumbling and its short length are my only complaints. It was entertaining overall.
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IIRC the series was first pitched as a 3 movie set, so these first 4 "episodes" are basically the first movie split into parts. It helps explain some of the strange pacing issues, especially with episode 2, because that chunk was never meant to stand alone.

Either way, it wasn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than other game-to-series adaptations, and Ellis is a fantastic writer so I trust him on this one.
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Trevor's an ass because his family saved humanity and humanity rewarded them with exile and persecution.

He gets double kicked in the balls because someone learned his name was Belmont.

The anti-church stuff makes sense given the time period. Its explicitly pointed out that this particular church doesn't represent Christianity. (With some, imo, clever use of Christian theology) and the Gresit church isn't all bad because a priest does end up making Holy Water for the raid.
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AlisLandale posted...

Trevor's an ass because his family saved humanity and humanity rewarded them with exile and persecution.

Alucard is more a decent person than Trevor. A real hero does what's right no matter what. He doesn't become a bitterbeard.
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It's great, but looks like I'm in the minority when it comes to the animation. The bar fight scene lacked any "punch" and it was stiff as fuck. The animation only kicked into gear was it's 2 Sakuga moments (the cyclops and alucard fight). With that said, the first massacre scene in the first episode (while having some animation issue) was pretty cool.
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salandrews posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

You're surprised the castlevania series has an anti-church theme? :u

I havent seen much of an anti church theme in the Castlevanias I've played (gba and ds games, a bit in LoS series).

"Tribute?! You steal men's souls and make them your slave!"
"Perhaps the same could be said of all religion."
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

AlisLandale posted...

Trevor's an ass because his family saved humanity and humanity rewarded them with exile and persecution.

Alucard is more a decent person than Trevor. A real hero does what's right no matter what. He doesn't become a bitterbeard.

You're right.
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If it was an 8-10 episode season, spending 4 episodes on what they did would have been fine. Since it's a 4 episode season, they meandered too much and it ends when it just started to get a little interesting.

Unless there's some decent character development we're stuck with a trio that seems downright trope-ish.

Trevor is currently the fourth member of Migos and their mumble rap
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nclrwntr posted...

If it was an 8-10 episode season, spending 4 episodes on what they did would have been fine. Since it's a 4 episode season, they meandered too much and it ends when it just started to get a little interesting.

It's a 12 episode season that they split into three parts. Originally it was supposed to be three movies, but they cut it up into four episode per movie chunks.
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salandrews posted...

Im glad they didn't go with Soma. He's an actual teenager with a love interest and Dracula incarnate.

Imagine how edgy they would have made him...

Soma is a Weeaboo

But Awesome
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kuwab0 posted...

salandrews posted...

Im glad they didn't go with Soma. He's an actual teenager with a love interest and Dracula incarnate.

Imagine how edgy they would have made him...

Soma is a Weeaboo

But Awesome

Soma's most glaring flaw is his hair
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dear god, don't let this vampires guts spill on my good tunic
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shockthemonkey posted...

I hated how Belmont put a steak through Alucard and he's just like "oh ok I guess you're good then" and shrugs it off.

I mean, the wooden stake has only been in one game. It's not like it's part of the Castlevania vampire lore.
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Trevors lines, manner of speaking, constant need to remind everyone he doesnt care, constant need to lean against a wall and talk while not looking at the person, that cringey scene where he tells the priest to shut up.

It's so edgy it hurts. I love castlevania and expected them to at least not make the Belmont protag a manchild.

And now we've got a nice little trio to fill up even more tropes.
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shockthemonkey posted...

I didn't know that. But it seemed safe to assume if Belmont expected that to kill him, it would. And it didn't seem like it was supposed to make Belmont look stupid.

Just didn't care for that. Maybe I will when more comes out.

In fairness, Dracula in Castlevania lore is waaaaay stronger than normal vampires. And Alucard being a dhampir might make him more resistant to a stake.
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The action was pretty damn good. My main problem is that the dialogue is a bit tough to make out at times. Kinda wish they did something with Soma because of how much of a gullible idiot he is, but you can't win them all.
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I can only hope that they fit things like "Die Monster!" and "What is a man?" into this thing.
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I pretty much agree, TC. I think it's okay, but I really didn't like the way Trevor or the Church was portrayed; it was pretty antithetical to the games.
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Jiek_Fafn posted...

I can only hope that they fit things like "Die Monster!" and "What is a man?" into this thing.

They've fit a few things in. Like Belmont assuming that he was rescuing a dude from the catacombs when it was a woman. Which I assume is a small reference to Sypha being called he/him in the original game.

EverDownward posted...

I pretty much agree, TC. I think it's okay, but I really didn't like the way Trevor or the Church was portrayed; it was pretty antithetical to the games.

The Church sort of has to be villainous because you can't really have a nice, decent, holy church burn an innocent woman at the stake.
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pegusus123456 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I didn't know that. But it seemed safe to assume if Belmont expected that to kill him, it would. And it didn't seem like it was supposed to make Belmont look stupid.

Just didn't care for that. Maybe I will when more comes out.

In fairness, Dracula in Castlevania lore is waaaaay stronger than normal vampires. And Alucard being a dhampir might make him more resistant to a stake.

Not just in Castlevania lore. In Bram Stoker lore too.
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pegusus123456 posted...

The Church sort of has to be villainous because you can't really have a nice, decent, holy church burn an innocent woman at the stake

Except nowhere in the games does it state or even imply the Church is involved in Lisa's burning. In SotN, all you see are townsfolk burning her on a cross. There's one sprite of presumably a priest holding a cross up to her in the back of the mob, but that's it. Not to mention the Church is literally one of the biggest universal forces for good in the series. Several important symbols in Christian mythos is used to fight against enemy monsters (Cross, Bible, Holy water, etc.) as subweapons, and there are multiple times when the Church provides aid to the protagonists, like Vincent helping Charlotte and Jonathan in Portait of Ruin and Yoko in Aria of Sorrow. Further, there are numerous times in the games when an item of holy origin is the most powerful piece of equipment - God's Garb in SotN, the Claimh Solais in Aria, etc.

Leon Belmont, the founder of the Belmont clan, was a holy knight working for the Church. Mathias Cronqvist, before becoming Dracula, was also working for the Church. The reason why he abandoned his post? Because his wife died of natural causes. (not Lisa, his first wife).

My point is that the Church has never been used to show that it causes any sort of supernatural evil in the series. You might have an exile, a zealot, here or there, with the express intent to cause evil, but it's never the body of the Church that causes Dracula to rise from his grave.
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This is one of the showrunners after all:

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