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Darmik 07/21/17 1:45:49 AM #52:	omega cookie posted... Funkydog posted... omega cookie posted... I'm not even arguing that his suicide isn't saddening and a tragedy in and of itself. What I AM saying is, people should feel far, far worse for those kids then they do for him. His suffering is over. He's dead, that's it. Their suffering begins now, and will last a lot longer than these people who are upset that a guy that made music hung himself. Well, I've not read most of CE's stuff on it, but most people I know have offered great sympathy to his kids and wife too. That big topic about his death was, last I checked, 6 or so pages of people talking about his music and even a few people talking about how "First Chris Cornell, now Chester... My depression can't take this..." because it wouldn't be a suicide topic without some attention whores, and very few mentions of his kids and sympathy for his family. Like I said, I'm not saying it shouldn't make someone sad. You can feel sorry for BOTH him and his kids. Humans don't have an upper limit on empathy. But like I said, his pain is over. The pain of the people he left behind will last for a long time. Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? Plenty of people are sympathetic for his family. It's mentioned basically everywhere. But of course people will discuss their memories of him. They don't have memories of his family. Get a grip. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:883313466] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not even arguing that his suicide isn't saddening and a tragedy in and of itself. What I AM saying is, people should feel far, far worse for those kids then they do for him. His suffering is over. He's dead, that's it. Their suffering begins now, and will last a lot longer than these people who are upset that a guy that made music hung himself. </quote> Well, I've not read most of CE's stuff on it, but most people I know have offered great sympathy to his kids and wife too.</quote> That big topic about his death was, last I checked, 6 or so pages of people talking about his music and even a few people talking about how "First Chris Cornell, now Chester... My depression can't take this..." because it wouldn't be a suicide topic without some attention whores, and very few mentions of his kids and sympathy for his family. Like I said, I'm not saying it shouldn't make someone sad. You can feel sorry for BOTH him and his kids. Humans don't have an upper limit on empathy. But like I said, his pain is over. The pain of the people he left behind will last for a long time.</quote> Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? Plenty of people are sympathetic for his family. It's mentioned basically everywhere. But of course people will discuss their memories of him. They don't have memories of his family. Get a grip.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 07/21/17 1:52:45 AM #53:	Conflict posted... omega cookie posted... People are upset that he's gone, but those same people don't seem to give a shit about the people he left behind. He had six kids, and the youngest were twins born in 2011 per his Wikipedia page. That means that two children, who are either five or six years old, now don't have a father. When you have young children, your happiness doesn't matter anymore. To kill yourself and leave them without a father, that's so fucking selfish it's unbelievable. People post "oh my god I'm like crying I loved his music!", when they should be saying "I can't believe he would do that to those poor fucking kids". They, his children, are the ones who deserve your heartfelt sorrow. Not the guy who made music and left his children without a father. Fuck. This is the post I'm referring to. You say now that you understand why he felt the way he felt but it seemed like that all you were concerned about was the fact that he left his kids behind. And it's perfectly understandable to be frustrated about that, especially when most people who commit suicide don't have nearly that many kids. But as someone who deals with inner demons all the time it aggravates the hell out of me (yes, even on the internet) when people act self-righteous about mental issues and suicide. I know what it's like to have episodes when absolutely nothing is going right and every little thought creates conflict with another one, making living a bit less enjoyable. Do you? That's a legitimate question, as I don't know. But your posts gave off the impression that you didn't Personally, no. As far as mental issues go, aside from a touch of narcissism, I've thankfully been blessed on that front. Sadly though, I've spent a very long time around people that do. I understand(as much as one can from the outside, admittedly) the waking hell that people with depression go through. People with suicidal thoughts go through some awful, horrible shit, and I certainly don't envy them. The point I was trying to make when I said "When you have young children, your happiness doesn't matter anymore." was... poorly worded, admittedly. The way I've always felt is, when you bring a child into this world, you first and foremost responsibility is to live for that child. They didn't do anything, and to suddenly end your life and leave that innocent person without a father or mother is just an awful thing to do. I came across as saying "you don't matter", but what I really meant is "That child matters more then you." I suppose my annoyance comes not at the fact that people are sad that he died. It comes from the fact that, while that is certainly a sad thing, there are other people who we should feel even sadder for. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:883313722] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>People are upset that he's gone, but those same people don't seem to give a shit about the people he left behind. He had six kids, and the youngest were twins born in 2011 per his Wikipedia page. That means that two children, who are either five or six years old, now don't have a father. When you have young children, your happiness doesn't matter anymore. To kill yourself and leave them without a father, that's so fucking selfish it's unbelievable. People post "oh my god I'm like crying I loved his music!", when they should be saying "I can't believe he would do that to those poor fucking kids". They, his children, are the ones who deserve your heartfelt sorrow. Not the guy who made music and left his children without a father. Fuck.</quote> This is the post I'm referring to. You say now that you understand why he felt the way he felt but it seemed like that all you were concerned about was the fact that he left his kids behind. And it's perfectly understandable to be frustrated about that, especially when most people who commit suicide don't have nearly that many kids. But as someone who deals with inner demons all the time it aggravates the hell out of me (yes, even on the internet) when people act self-righteous about mental issues and suicide. I know what it's like to have episodes when absolutely nothing is going right and every little thought creates conflict with another one, making living a bit less enjoyable. Do you? That's a legitimate question, as I don't know. But your posts gave off the impression that you didn't</quote> Personally, no. As far as mental issues go, aside from a touch of narcissism, I've thankfully been blessed on that front. Sadly though, I've spent a very long time around people that do. I understand(as much as one can from the outside, admittedly) the waking hell that people with depression go through. People with suicidal thoughts go through some awful, horrible shit, and I certainly don't envy them. The point I was trying to make when I said "When you have young children, your happiness doesn't matter anymore." was... poorly worded, admittedly. The way I've always felt is, when you bring a child into this world, you first and foremost responsibility is to live for that child. They didn't do anything, and to suddenly end your life and leave that innocent person without a father or mother is just an awful thing to do. I came across as saying "you don't matter", but what I really meant is "That child matters more then you." I suppose my annoyance comes not at the fact that people are sad that he died. It comes from the fact that, while that is certainly a sad thing, there are other people who we should feel even sadder for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 07/21/17 1:55:38 AM #54:	Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:883313815] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 07/21/17 1:56:27 AM #55:	what a predictable response from someone in a shit ass band like korn --- http://i.imgur.com/5UL2v5u.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:883313840] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>what a predictable response from someone in a shit ass band like korn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/21/17 1:56:33 AM #56:	omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:883313847] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 07/21/17 2:01:47 AM #57:	Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. ...Is this going to turn into an argument about whether committing suicide is a choice or if depression forces you to do it? Because that's where it feels like this is going, and I've actually seen this argument happen before, and it was the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. Seriously, please tell me if that is where this is going, so I can pull the rip cord and get right the hell out of it asap. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:883314013] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> ...Is this going to turn into an argument about whether committing suicide is a choice or if depression forces you to do it? Because that's where it feels like this is going, and I've actually seen this argument happen before, and it was the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. Seriously, please tell me if that is where this is going, so I can pull the rip cord and get right the hell out of it asap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 2:04:28 AM #58:	Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883314098] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/21/17 2:09:17 AM #59:	It's not either/or. That's the entire point. It's a fight that he lost. That's all. Could things be different if he had the right support? Maybe. Maybe not. Calling him selfish or a coward accomplishes jack shit. Right now you have a logical state of mind. He did not. Saying that he should have thought of his kids or whatever is a waste of time. We don't know what his mind was telling him and we haven't experienced what lead to that moment. Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... Awesome. You've got it all figured out. All you have to do is tell depressed people they don't need to be depressed and everything will sort itself out. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:883314244] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>It's not either/or. That's the entire point. It's a fight that he lost. That's all. Could things be different if he had the right support? Maybe. Maybe not. Calling him selfish or a coward accomplishes jack shit. Right now you have a logical state of mind. He did not. Saying that he should have thought of his kids or whatever is a waste of time. We don't know what his mind was telling him and we haven't experienced what lead to that moment. <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> Awesome. You've got it all figured out. All you have to do is tell depressed people they don't need to be depressed and everything will sort itself out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 2:22:45 AM #60:	@Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding how much different those drugs and situations will change you. --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883314692] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>@Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding how much different those drugs and situations will change you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Slash 07/21/17 2:25:38 AM #61:	Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Actually they really do. It's all a choice. You don't choose to be depressed or have anxiety attacks. I'm glad you clarified a bit but that's honestly a bit insulting to people who battle such things, and isn't helping the problem. <cite>Super Slash posted [p:883314773] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually they really do. It's all a choice. </quote> You don't choose to be depressed or have anxiety attacks. I'm glad you clarified a bit but that's honestly a bit insulting to people who battle such things, and isn't helping the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/21/17 2:26:45 AM #62:	Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... @Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding. Just because you went through your own personal battles doesn't mean everyone else goes through the same thing, feels the same way or gets past it the same way. Surely you realize that. Everyone is different and that includes people struggling with mental health. For some people their realization can go in the other direction and all it takes is one moment of weakness and they're gone for good. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:883314811] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote>@Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding.</quote> Just because you went through your own personal battles doesn't mean everyone else goes through the same thing, feels the same way or gets past it the same way. Surely you realize that. Everyone is different and that includes people struggling with mental health. For some people their realization can go in the other direction and all it takes is one moment of weakness and they're gone for good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 07/21/17 2:30:57 AM #63:	Darmik posted... It's not either/or. That's the entire point. It's a fight that he lost. That's all. Could things be different if he had the right support? Maybe. Maybe not. Calling him selfish or a coward accomplishes jack shit. Right now you have a logical state of mind. He did not. Saying that he should have thought of his kids or whatever is a waste of time. We don't know what his mind was telling him and we haven't experienced what lead to that moment. I think this part was to me? So I'll respond to it. Okay, so, I'll toss this out there first. While I understand, on an intellectual basis, what he went through to a degree, I have no idea what went through his head and why he did it. I refrain from saying anything about what he personally went through and what may have caused it because I simply have no idea. Nobody really does. His demons were his alone, and I won't pass judgement on what he went through. As far as saying it was selfish, I merely meant the act of deprive his children of a father was selfish. An act done to solely benefit one self. A descriptor, not a judgement. Apologies if it came off the other way. I don't -think- I called him a coward? But if I did, point it out to be and I'll eat crow on that for being an asshole to make my point. Beyond that, I didn't mean to come across as blaming him for not thinking of his kids. I wouldn't presume to even understand what goes through the mind of someone about to take their own life, let alone try to dictate what their thoughts should be. My overarching point was merely that his suicide is a sad, awful thing, but the true tragedy is the people he left behind. I know I come off as a blunt asshole, and because of this my (to me) seemingly clear points often come across as inflammatory rants, but I'm not trying to pass judgement on the mentally ill nor the depressed. I just sympathize with the family more, because I've been there and it's awful. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:883314938] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's not either/or. That's the entire point. It's a fight that he lost. That's all. Could things be different if he had the right support? Maybe. Maybe not. Calling him selfish or a coward accomplishes jack shit. Right now you have a logical state of mind. He did not. Saying that he should have thought of his kids or whatever is a waste of time. We don't know what his mind was telling him and we haven't experienced what lead to that moment.</quote> I think this part was to me? So I'll respond to it. Okay, so, I'll toss this out there first. While I understand, on an intellectual basis, what he went through to a degree, I have no idea what went through his head and why he did it. I refrain from saying anything about what he personally went through and what may have caused it because I simply have no idea. Nobody really does. His demons were his alone, and I won't pass judgement on what he went through. As far as saying it was selfish, I merely meant the act of deprive his children of a father was selfish. An act done to solely benefit one self. A descriptor, not a judgement. Apologies if it came off the other way. I don't -think- I called him a coward? But if I did, point it out to be and I'll eat crow on that for being an asshole to make my point. Beyond that, I didn't mean to come across as blaming him for not thinking of his kids. I wouldn't presume to even understand what goes through the mind of someone about to take their own life, let alone try to dictate what their thoughts should be. My overarching point was merely that his suicide is a sad, awful thing, but the true tragedy is the people he left behind. I know I come off as a blunt asshole, and because of this my (to me) seemingly clear points often come across as inflammatory rants, but I'm not trying to pass judgement on the mentally ill nor the depressed. I just sympathize with the family more, because I've been there and it's awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 2:34:23 AM #64:	Darmik posted... Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... @Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding. Just because you went through your own personal battles doesn't mean everyone else goes through the same thing, feels the same way or gets past it the same way. Surely you realize that. Everyone is different and that includes people struggling with mental health. For some people their realization can go in the other direction and all it takes is one moment of weakness and they're gone for good. That's very true and we're all different people and certain situations affect other people in ways that it would never affect you. I completely agree and I wish nothing but the best for his friends and family who have to suffer the loss of a talented human being that people look up to and loved too much. That's all I really can do it feels awful to lose another person to suicide. --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883315026] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote>@Darmik Obviously it's not that simple. coming from someone that's been in those feelings, having nothing but self doubt and drugs to keep you company while you're treating all of your loved ones like dirt because everyone's out to get you in your mind. Mental illness is an extremely overlooked problem, and most of the pillls don't do a damn thing to help either. It takes a realization, something to bring you back to earth to get your mind back on track. Coming from someone who's been hooked on benzodiazepines in my teenage years. Also amphetamines at a more recent age. The pills hardly ever do anything but enable you to run away from your problems. I'm completely clean and have been for 8 months. Turns out having a seizure and nailing your head off the concrete while on drugs can do wonders when you wake up and realize who was in that hospital room when you came to. Now I'm not trying to start an argument I'm just letting you know I'm not some armchair psychologist ive lived through the horrors and it made me a better person when I finally came to. I wholeheartedly will always wish that Chester could've realized it but he also had a heavy emotional load himself. It's just a sad situation that stems from people not understanding.</quote> Just because you went through your own personal battles doesn't mean everyone else goes through the same thing, feels the same way or gets past it the same way. Surely you realize that. Everyone is different and that includes people struggling with mental health. For some people their realization can go in the other direction and all it takes is one moment of weakness and they're gone for good.</quote> That's very true and we're all different people and certain situations affect other people in ways that it would never affect you. I completely agree and I wish nothing but the best for his friends and family who have to suffer the loss of a talented human being that people look up to and loved too much. That's all I really can do it feels awful to lose another person to suicide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/21/17 2:39:42 AM #65:	Yeah it's just an awful thing for everyone involved. Who knows what was going on between him and his family beforehand. It's just terrible. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:883315168] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's just an awful thing for everyone involved. Who knows what was going on between him and his family beforehand. It's just terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/21/17 2:44:49 AM #66:	What an asshole. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883315299] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>What an asshole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/21/17 2:47:54 AM #67:	Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit. It is a constant (and many times losing) battle for me and anxiety knowing full well my thoughts are illogical nonsense. I can't imagine suicidal depression. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883315381] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit. It is a constant (and many times losing) battle for me and anxiety knowing full well my thoughts are illogical nonsense. I can't imagine suicidal depression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 2:54:52 AM #68:	hockeybub89 posted... Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit. Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides. --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883315554] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit.</quote> Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/21/17 3:03:00 AM #69:	Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit. Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides. Like I said useless shit advice. Everyone is not in complete control and it is fucking terrifying to be a slave in your own body. You either weren't seriously mentally ill or you're lying about being cured. It is not a goddamn conscious choice you turn on and off. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883315752] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit.</quote> Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides.</quote> Like I said useless shit advice. Everyone is not in complete control and it is fucking terrifying to be a slave in your own body. You either weren't seriously mentally ill or you're lying about being cured. It is not a goddamn conscious choice you turn on and off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 07/21/17 3:04:48 AM #70:	Man what's with the internet these days and the need to blurt out any stupid thought that comes into your mind for the whole world to see? I get that Welch is upset. I would be pissed too if a close friend killed himself. This is the kind of rant you go on in private behind closed doors. Anger is a part of grief and we all grieve differently. Why did this guy have the need to do this publicly online? Now he just looks like an asshole, and there is no doubt he will apologize for this in a day or two. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:883315812] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>Man what's with the internet these days and the need to blurt out any stupid thought that comes into your mind for the whole world to see? I get that Welch is upset. I would be pissed too if a close friend killed himself. This is the kind of rant you go on in private behind closed doors. Anger is a part of grief and we all grieve differently. Why did this guy have the need to do this publicly online? Now he just looks like an asshole, and there is no doubt he will apologize for this in a day or two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 3:10:38 AM #71:	hockeybub89 posted... Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lawlfulcoptors1 posted... Darmik posted... omega cookie posted... Darmik posted... Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer. And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns. Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own... I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit. Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides. Like I said useless shit advice. Everyone is not in complete control and it is fucking terrifying to be a slave in your own body. You either weren't seriously mentally ill or you're lying about being cured. It is not a goddamn conscious choice you turn on and off. Well once reality smacks you in the face and you realize all the bullshit you put your loved ones through while you were living the drug life. When my head smacked the concrete after having a seizure from the amphetamines I used I realized I have to live my life for the people I love and quit being so damn selfish and turn to hate and negativity. When I had that scary moment I thought for sure I was a goner. Then I woke up in the hospital room to see my sister and mom sitting there crying wonderifing if I was okay. I couldn't believe what I put them through only because I wouldn't let go of the damn past and couldn't stop worrying about the future. Now I take each day as it comes because that's how life is meant to be lived in my opinion but always build towards your better future. Call me a liar but I've got so many life experiences at the young age of 23 it's not even funny and all those years of depression and anxiety made me a better, stronger person. It is possible I promise and I hope you can realize this too because no one deserves to feel like a prisoner in their mind. --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883315954] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do you say this stuff when people die from cancer or whatever as well? </quote> That is a false equivalency and you know it. People don't give themselves cancer.</quote> And people don't give themselves depression and mental breakdowns.</quote> Actually they really do. It's all a choice. Yes people can contribute to it, but in all reality you're putting all these thoughts in YOUR head and once you figure out that there's really no reason to be depressed about anything and you have people to live for and protect you'll be surprised how strong your mind will get. As long as I have loved ones in my life I'll never go back. Yeah my hearts going to shatter when the fateful day comes that I lose my parents but it's all about how you treat them while they're still here. They've showed you the ropes to life now you just have to ready yourself for it completely on your own...</quote> I think telling the mentally ill "It's all in your head" might be the most useless "advice" in the entire world. No shit.</quote> Okay and im guessing you just skimmed past and didn'tread the post where I very briefly explained that I was one of those mentally ill people who. contemplated suicide? I could write a book about my experiences as a "misdirectioned druggie" it was really just me trying to hide the pain of all the bullshit I endured at a younger age. Til I realized I was the reason for my unhappiness and that I'm completely in control. You never know what's happening in anyone's life that's why I treat everyone including strangers with respect. Because I fucking understand both sides.</quote> Like I said useless shit advice. Everyone is not in complete control and it is fucking terrifying to be a slave in your own body. You either weren't seriously mentally ill or you're lying about being cured. It is not a goddamn conscious choice you turn on and off.</quote> Well once reality smacks you in the face and you realize all the bullshit you put your loved ones through while you were living the drug life. When my head smacked the concrete after having a seizure from the amphetamines I used I realized I have to live my life for the people I love and quit being so damn selfish and turn to hate and negativity. When I had that scary moment I thought for sure I was a goner. Then I woke up in the hospital room to see my sister and mom sitting there crying wonderifing if I was okay. I couldn't believe what I put them through only because I wouldn't let go of the damn past and couldn't stop worrying about the future. Now I take each day as it comes because that's how life is meant to be lived in my opinion but always build towards your better future. Call me a liar but I've got so many life experiences at the young age of 23 it's not even funny and all those years of depression and anxiety made me a better, stronger person. It is possible I promise and I hope you can realize this too because no one deserves to feel like a prisoner in their mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 3:15:05 AM #72:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... Man what's with the internet these days and the need to blurt out any stupid thought that comes into your mind for the whole world to see? I get that Welch is upset. I would be pissed too if a close friend killed himself. This is the kind of rant you go on in private behind closed doors. Anger is a part of grief and we all grieve differently. Why did this guy have the need to do this publicly online? Now he just looks like an asshole, and there is no doubt he will apologize for this in a day or two. I agree but it was probably a spur of the moment kind of thing, he's going to face backlash but a lot people are going to understand his side too. Definitely agree that he should've kept it to close friends and not social media though sometimes it's hard to do that when this kind of news comes to you. --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883316054] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>Man what's with the internet these days and the need to blurt out any stupid thought that comes into your mind for the whole world to see? I get that Welch is upset. I would be pissed too if a close friend killed himself. This is the kind of rant you go on in private behind closed doors. Anger is a part of grief and we all grieve differently. Why did this guy have the need to do this publicly online? Now he just looks like an asshole, and there is no doubt he will apologize for this in a day or two.</quote> I agree but it was probably a spur of the moment kind of thing, he's going to face backlash but a lot people are going to understand his side too. Definitely agree that he should've kept it to close friends and not social media though sometimes it's hard to do that when this kind of news comes to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 07/21/17 3:15:08 AM #73:	GOATSLAYER posted... RebelElite791 posted... Douchebag. Also, "sempethetic" This. I understand what he was trying to say though and he's not entirely wrong I don't think it's really justifiable to act that way. The guy is being a douchebag. At the point where you are contemplating suicide, you don't feel that people are relying on you. It's the exact opposite, actually; you feel that you are a burden on the people around you. It's not an act of cowardice. You aren't saying, "Gee, all these people are relying on me, I think I'm going to duck out like a dick", you are saying, "I'm such a miserable, waste of life that all these people, even my fans and children, will be far better off without me". <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:883316055] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATSLAYER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Douchebag. Also, "sempethetic"</quote> This. I understand what he was trying to say though and he's not entirely wrong</quote> I don't think it's really justifiable to act that way. The guy is being a douchebag. At the point where you are contemplating suicide, you don't feel that people are relying on you. It's the exact opposite, actually; you feel that you are a burden on the people around you. It's not an act of cowardice. You aren't saying, "Gee, all these people are relying on me, I think I'm going to duck out like a dick", you are saying, "I'm such a miserable, waste of life that all these people, even my fans and children, will be far better off without me".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lawlfulcoptors1 07/21/17 3:19:37 AM #74:	@Dash_Harber Very scary how accurate that is. During my worst times I had conflicting thoughts. One side saying "what about the family that's NEVER turned their back on you" with the other side saying "I just wish I wasn't here and would do anything to just disappear." This dude definitely made a bad choice but we can't hold that against him. He knew the guy personally and probably had a lot of the same feelings himself. Now he and all the other loved ones are going to have to live with this knowing they couldn't do anything to make it better... --- ~~too cool for a cig~~ #stopsmokingstopcanceralumni <cite>Lawlfulcoptors1 posted [p:883316164] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>@Dash_Harber Very scary how accurate that is. During my worst times I had conflicting thoughts. One side saying "what about the family that's NEVER turned their back on you" with the other side saying "I just wish I wasn't here and would do anything to just disappear." This dude definitely made a bad choice but we can't hold that against him. He knew the guy personally and probably had a lot of the same feelings himself. Now he and all the other loved ones are going to have to live with this knowing they couldn't do anything to make it better...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
L621 07/21/17 3:22:14 AM #75:	When someone is this depressed they aren't thinking rationally. They think so poorly of themselves that the best thing for their kids/family/friends is to remove themselves from their lives and that even if those people will be sad they'll all get over it and move on to be happier for it in the end. Is this reasoning rediculously flawed? Absolutely. That's what people who have been this close to offing themselves don't understand though; your brain isn't fucking functional when you're in that state, especially if drugs and alcohol are involved. It also comes with feelings of hoplessness and agony that can be so bad you feel it physically to the point that you literally cannot recall ever having felt any other way in your life before. It fucks you up so that you can't phathom ever again feeling anything different. People who say he was being a coward don't understand what this existence is like and at best have only scratched the surface of depression themselves. Would you tell someone who could hardly get out of bed, that was dying a slow, agonizing death from a terminal illness and instead decided to end it sooner that they were a coward and terrible parent too? Because that's how bad it can feel and probably how useful he felt as a parent by then. I'm sure this comparison sounds super melodramatic to anyone who hasn't experienced this, but I assure you it's dead on. Your mind/emotions can turn on you and try to kill you. You pretty much need those, like they are REQUIRED, for you to make rational choices. <cite>L621 posted [p:883316227] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>When someone is this depressed they aren't thinking rationally. They think so poorly of themselves that the best thing for their kids/family/friends is to remove themselves from their lives and that even if those people will be sad they'll all get over it and move on to be happier for it in the end. Is this reasoning rediculously flawed? Absolutely. That's what people who have been this close to offing themselves don't understand though; your brain isn't fucking functional when you're in that state, especially if drugs and alcohol are involved. It also comes with feelings of hoplessness and agony that can be so bad you feel it physically to the point that you literally cannot recall ever having felt any other way in your life before. It fucks you up so that you can't phathom ever again feeling anything different. People who say he was being a coward don't understand what this existence is like and at best have only scratched the surface of depression themselves. Would you tell someone who could hardly get out of bed, that was dying a slow, agonizing death from a terminal illness and instead decided to end it sooner that they were a coward and terrible parent too? Because that's how bad it can feel and probably how useful he felt as a parent by then. I'm sure this comparison sounds super melodramatic to anyone who hasn't experienced this, but I assure you it's dead on. Your mind/emotions can turn on you and try to kill you. You pretty much need those, like they are REQUIRED, for you to make rational choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 07/21/17 3:32:48 AM #76:	Didn't head split from Korn like, a LONG time ago? Became a born again Christian. Remember reading an interview about him boasting about how a tattoo of Jesus on his arm prevented him from masturbating and all that jazz. Thought it was crazy, but hey whatever helps you get through this life we live. And honestly, I do agree with him to a certain extent. Not gonna lie, I had my own bouts of self-destructive behavior. Mixed things you shouldn't mix because of a high probability of ODing. And I almost did, but my friends kept keeping me conscious and made me throw everything I had up. And that was just 4 years ago. Looking at where I've come now from then is night and day. Not gonna say there haven't been struggling, not gonna say there aren't days when I have those intrusive thoughts still to this day. But I will say, without being saved by my friends that night, I would have missed out on many positive experiences and becoming pretty much autonomous for my own life, which is something I didn't possess back then. So while I do sympathize with people that feel the need to take their own life, I will say it doesn't need to be something that's almost glorified. It's a tragedy, and we do need to pay our respects. But there does need to be a dialogue against it, as hard as it may be to hear. Because the truth is often a hard thing to listen to --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:883316425] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>Didn't head split from Korn like, a LONG time ago? Became a born again Christian. Remember reading an interview about him boasting about how a tattoo of Jesus on his arm prevented him from masturbating and all that jazz. Thought it was crazy, but hey whatever helps you get through this life we live. And honestly, I do agree with him to a certain extent. Not gonna lie, I had my own bouts of self-destructive behavior. Mixed things you shouldn't mix because of a high probability of ODing. And I almost did, but my friends kept keeping me conscious and made me throw everything I had up. And that was just 4 years ago. Looking at where I've come now from then is night and day. Not gonna say there haven't been struggling, not gonna say there aren't days when I have those intrusive thoughts still to this day. But I will say, without being saved by my friends that night, I would have missed out on many positive experiences and becoming pretty much autonomous for my own life, which is something I didn't possess back then. So while I do sympathize with people that feel the need to take their own life, I will say it doesn't need to be something that's almost glorified. It's a tragedy, and we do need to pay our respects. But there does need to be a dialogue against it, as hard as it may be to hear. Because the truth is often a hard thing to listen to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoBowser 07/21/17 3:18:37 PM #77:	He's absolutely right. People always got mad at me for saying the same thing and empathy in me understands and feels their pain and I know it's not what they want to hear and therefore I keep my thoughts to myself. However this act makes me more than mad --- I'm feeling myself, I'm feeling myself, I'm feeling my feeling my' <cite>NeoBowser posted [p:883342103] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>He's absolutely right. People always got mad at me for saying the same thing and empathy in me understands and feels their pain and I know it's not what they want to hear and therefore I keep my thoughts to myself. However this act makes me more than mad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 07/21/17 3:22:44 PM #78:	Isn't Welch a self-righteous born-Again Christian? Fuck him. --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:883342339] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>Isn't Welch a self-righteous born-Again Christian? Fuck him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 07/21/17 3:24:47 PM #79:	He knew the guy personally, so I'm not going to fault him for reacting in an emotional way. I also think he makes a good point in that it sets a terrible example for his kids and anyone who ever related to him through his music --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:883342448] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>He knew the guy personally, so I'm not going to fault him for reacting in an emotional way. I also think he makes a good point in that it sets a terrible example for his kids and anyone who ever related to him through his music</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 07/21/17 3:29:56 PM #80:	Aelia posted... Conflict posted... Aelia posted... Tried to say this in another topic but got modded. Probably for good reason, but. The day you decide to have kids is the day you decide that your life is no longer yours. Sorry but time to own up to your decisions. And I'm sure you're saying this when you don't even have kids which makes your opinion even more worthless than it already was No I don't have kids, but I have a one year old niece for whom I would die. I wouldn't even think twice about it. A niece/nephew is not at all the same thing as your own child. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:883342764] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aelia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aelia posted...</cite> <quote>Tried to say this in another topic but got modded. Probably for good reason, but. The day you decide to have kids is the day you decide that your life is no longer yours. Sorry but time to own up to your decisions.</quote> And I'm sure you're saying this when you don't even have kids which makes your opinion even more worthless than it already was</quote> No I don't have kids, but I have a one year old niece for whom I would die. I wouldn't even think twice about it.</quote> A niece/nephew is not at all the same thing as your own child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 07/21/17 3:38:03 PM #81:	"we've hung with" -_- --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:883343215] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><quote>"we've hung with"</quote> -_-</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 07/23/17 3:33:30 AM #82:	One would think depression would make one emphasize more, but I guess you really can't until you actually think of suicide. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:883432336] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote>One would think depression would make one emphasize more, but I guess you really can't until you actually think of suicide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ehhwhatever 07/25/17 4:23:31 AM #84:	Aelia posted... Tried to say this in another topic but got modded. Probably for good reason, but. The day you decide to have kids is the day you decide that your life is no longer yours. Sorry but time to own up to your decisions. There are fugitives with kids and the kids usually use the F-bomb and think they are above the parental experiences other kids have. --- A bus is after me. <cite>ehhwhatever posted [p:883551577] in Korn guita... [t:75588163]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aelia posted...</cite> <quote>Tried to say this in another topic but got modded. Probably for good reason, but. The day you decide to have kids is the day you decide that your life is no longer yours. Sorry but time to own up to your decisions.</quote> There are fugitives with kids and the kids usually use the F-bomb and think they are above the parental experiences other kids have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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