Current Events > Man, Sopranos really falls apart in the last season (spoilers)

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Between the overly long episodes focused on minor characters, the rapid time skips, and making every single character completely unsympathetic and cartoonishly evil, it's been probably the least enjoyable season yet.

I'm halfway through the last season on my first watch through. What the fuck happened?

your mom ruined the show thats what happened turd.

They also take plot lines that would be really interesting to watch, like Chris developing a movie and just skimmed over it for no reason.

dollarflashsale posted...

your mom ruined the show thats what happened turd.

Wow, wats da matta witch you?!

The first half of he last season is kind of weak but it gets way better in the second half. I can't say much more because I don't remember what happens when
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RIP Man Sopranos and the last season shot up to 97 sharks (spoilers)....... =(
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Dash_Harber posted...

dollarflashsale posted...

your mom ruined the show thats what happened turd.

Wow, wats da matta witch you?!

nothing at all, im always this way.
fuck off juicehead gorilla.

GOAT show, loved every episode
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dollarflashsale posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

dollarflashsale posted...

your mom ruined the show thats what happened turd.

Wow, wats da matta witch you?!

nothing at all, im always this way.
fuck off juicehead gorilla.

Totally missed the joke, bro.

I think they tried to appeal to the fans too much. The mob war was cool but it was too Hollywood.
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the last season is one of the best seasons in TV history, idk wtf you're smoking
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Dash_Harber posted...

They also take plot lines that would be really interesting to watch, like Chris developing a movie and just skimmed over it for no reason.

The hot ginger


Best part of last season was Lorraine braco top less
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Yeah I thought the last season was great
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i am rodney, i never miss a joke turds.
PS not your bro stupid turd.

GregShmedley posted...

And Tony was such a terrible person.

Yeah, it disturbs me how people still root for him. I mean, besides the murder, extortion, drug pedaling, and all the other criminal activities, he is just a complete monster to his friends and family, and worse of all, he feels entitled to it.

Romulox28 posted...

the last season is one of the best seasons in TV history, idk wtf you're smoking

Like I said, it's pacing was incredibly off and it ignored interesting plots in exchange for lots of one-of features about random characters. Like, curious how Chris developed the movie, recruited actors, and acted on set? Well here is an episode about Paulie running a fair. Interested in how AJ developed a relationship with the Puerto Rican girl with the kid? Yeah, how about an entire episode dedicated to Vito hating regular work and moving in with his boyfriend, and one episode later AJ is suddenly living with her and a surrogate father.

Instead of focusing on the actual story and The Soprano family (you know, the namesake) they kept randomly going off on episode long stories about relatively minor characters doing whatever. Sometimes they tied in, sometimes they didn't.

Worse is that a lot of the characters I'm actually interested in are reduced to minimal screen time. Silvio basically just shows up to stare at Tony and tell him, "Do the smart thing, boss" every few episodes. Junior sits out like five episodes only to show up for five minutes to reinforce how he's isolated from the family. They all started acting sort of cartoonishly villainish, too. Like, the characters started out at least trying to justify their actions; Tony would spend entire scenes laying out his thought process to Melfi. By the last season though, it's just like, "Haha, we randomly killed a guy because he looked at us funny and that's great".

alexander37 posted...

RIP Man Sopranos and the last season shot up to 97 sharks (spoilers)....... =(

There's a fucking comma there, you donut
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... aaaaaaand on the last episode. Man has this been a drag.

Finished the last episode last night. I'm convinced Tony's dead and Patty was behind it.

Also, I get how some could like the ending, but it still felt like a big middle finger. I mean, we accept that we are being told a story. We follow along for six seasons, with twists we like and twists we don't. Then, out of the blue, it becomes a choose your own adventure novel with the last pages ripped out. Ambiguity is fine, but not after you've given us straight answers for six years.

alexander37 posted...

RIP Man Sopranos and the last season shot up to 97 sharks (spoilers)....... =(

LMFAO
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GOAT show, only annoying parts were those dream sequence episodes lol

toyota posted...

GOAT show, only annoying parts were those dream sequence episodes lol

The dream sequence episode in season 2 was fucking amazing.
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Also Pine Barrens is one of the greatest episodes in TV history imo.

Paulie is definitely my favorite character. He's so damn funny.
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Paulie, Vito, Bobby bacala and that mike douche from s1 were my favs lmao

Burnt_Puke82 posted...

toyota posted...

GOAT show, only annoying parts were those dream sequence episodes lol

The dream sequence episode in season 2 was fucking amazing.

I had strongly mixed feelings about them. I had high hopes for the one in the last season. I thought, "the payoff is going to be great, it's going to tie into the story or help Tony come to some sort of conclusion about his life" but then it was just sort of like, "haha, no, just a weird moment brought to you by Tony's shattered psyche".

I thought the last six episodes were amazing but whateva. Also while I may have been Pat behind the murder I think it was most likely Butchie. As the war was going on everyone was losing money. So my guess is that he had a meeting with the other New York bosses and decided to wipe out both Tony and Phil. Of course we will never know for sure.
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fan357 posted...

Also while I may have been Pat behind the murder I think it was most likely Butchie. As the war was going on everyone was losing money. So my guess is that he had a meeting with the other New York bosses and decided to wipe out both Tony and Phil. Of course we will never know for sure.

Yeah, fair enough, but here was my thinking;
- Every single person who could have retaliated for Tony was either dead, or in a coma.
- Patsy wanted him dead for a long ass time.
- The only person left who could retaliate was Paulie, who handed the construction company to ... Patsy.
- Carlo had probably turned witness on Tony, meaning pretty much everyone remaining would have probably turned a blind eye.
Heck it's possible that Patsy and Butchie were working together on it, with Butchie sanctioning it and Patsy taking over.

I just hated the last season. Like I said, they spent a bunch of time on useless side episodes and turned everyone into comically evil, mustache twirling villains. Want to know what happened to Meadow and Finn? Too bad, here's an episode where Artie relearns his passion for cooking. Curious whether Carlo really did turn informant? Nope, here's a story about a goth gangster brat pooping in the shower.

The story wasn't really about the kid. It was to show that the kid really needed help after the trauma he went through and then Tony gambled the money away and gave them a fraction of the cash they deserved. But I get what you mean.
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Meh, I think they just had to put a period on it somewhere.

fan357 posted...

The story wasn't really about the kid. It was to show that the kid really needed help after the trauma he went through and then Tony gambled the money away and gave them a fraction of the cash they deserved. But I get what you mean.

Yeah, I get that, but like I said, it seemed like a really uninteresting story that was only a tiny bit related to the actual story I was invested in.

In need to rewatch the series but I forget a lot of what happened in the last season. I think my favorite was season 5 where his cousin gets out of jail.
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For the last scene I always got the vibe that the Arab guy who comes in just before AJ and went into the toilet after was a terrorist.

Probably funded by or working with that Ahmed and Mohammed guys who they used to hang out at the bing. The ones they used to give credit card details to and who at one point were asking for tech9s

And that the music immediately stops and the whole place goes black because he blew the restaurant up and everyone in there.

I mean half of that season was there was a theme of ongoing threats of terrorism and even Tony was helping out the FBI. Plus there was that muslim gathering place in the neighborhood who could have been harboring fundamentalists.

^lol

Not sure if serious.
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Whats wrong with my theory, it all fits. Why else would they insert the whole helping the FBI with threats of terrorism and muslims moving into the neighborhhod angle throughout that season?

I mean this is the dude in that last scene

https://masterofsopranos.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/396848229-216463.jpg

Is it really such a ridiculous theory?

I remembered 10 years ago there was a theory that those black guys who were looking at the pastries did it. like lol wtf thats even more random

It wasn't a terrorist attack. Jesus.
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fan357 posted...

It wasn't a terrorist attack. Jesus.

Why not? They were bringing up terrorism shit throughout the whole season. AJ even wanted to join the military that same episode because of it

Because that's idiotic and has nothing to do with the main plot.
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Wtf was that ending
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YookaLaylee posted...

Wtf was that ending

Eugene's wife hired him.
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toyota posted...

fan357 posted...

It wasn't a terrorist attack. Jesus.

Why not? They were bringing up terrorism shit throughout the whole season. AJ even wanted to join the military that same episode because of it

The entire last season is just a string of hanging plot threads that never got resolved. For example;
- Terrorism
- Patsy wanting revenge
- Carlo turning informant
- The mob war
- The gun charges
The only reason your theory is a bit off though is that the whole thing hinges on the idea that the guy walking in must be a terrorist because he's 'an Arab'.

Spoilers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjviymV08c8

Found this a couple years ago. Kind of interesting
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moose_knuckle posted...

Spoilers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjviymV08c8

Found this a couple years ago. Kind of interesting

Theory videos are cool, but even the creator has waffled about a hundred times on what happened and what it meant, and it's pretty clear the whole ending was created because they didn't want to commit and they wanted to generate publicity and keep people talking about it for years; no such thing as bad publicity, right?

Meh, each their own, but I honestly think that second half of season 6 was some of the best television I've ever seen. Everything in Tonys life is collapsing around him, simply because he refuses to ever actually grow and change. Time and time again he has a chance to take another path and he simply doesn't make the change.

He also completely devolves into the person that his father would hate, and there's a TON of self loathing and resentment under the surface that Tony absolutely refuses to acknowledge as it'd destroy the image he built up in his mind of who Johnny Boy actually was. Likewise his anger and resentment towards Chris is a reflection of that as well. I read a real good analysis which basically makes the point that Chris became not only a surrogate son to Tony, but also a reflection of his own father.

To me anyways, I'd put season 5 as the "worst" simply because it was far too fan servicey for me. Even then I enjoyed the fuck out of it. But I watched it live as it happened from like, season 3 onwards, and it's my favorite show in TV history, so I'm a bit biased.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Theory videos are cool, but even the creator has waffled about a hundred times on what happened and what it meant, and it's pretty clear the whole ending was created because they didn't want to commit and they wanted to generate publicity and keep people talking about it for years; no such thing as bad publicity, right?

Chase was a bit pissy with the whole thing, yes, but I think that's because he viewed Tony as the negative piece of shit that he actually was. That's why I think he spent so much time making sure he was as detestable as possible over the last season. And I think he was pissed that at fans who both rooted for Tony but also wanted to see him get his brains blown out or in some massive mob war.

To me there's no way that Tony wasn't shot, though. I always assumed NY decided the "glorified crew" of the Soprano family wasn't worth dealing with anymore, likewise neither was Phil, and ordered all the hits anyway. And the show does make constant references to "total blackness" as death. From Livia in the hospital which AJ brings up years later, to the whole "do you see it when it happens" stuff, to the imagery of Tony laying on his death bed in the penultimate episode. Hell, watching it live they actually place the Tony and Bobby conversation in the next time on video before it aired and I think they ran "Sopranos Home Movies" right before the finale IIRC.

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Yeah I've spent way too many years rewatching and researching the show and stuff lol
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Dash_Harber posted...

Theory videos are cool, but even the creator has waffled about a hundred times on what happened and what it meant, and it's pretty clear the whole ending was created because they didn't want to commit and they wanted to generate publicity and keep people talking about it for years; no such thing as bad publicity, right?

Pretty sure he's gone on record in recent years to confirm Tony did die, but Chase has always said "if you look at it(the final scene), the answers are all there." Don't think he ever really waffled, just said to look closer and you'll find your answer. He really did hammer home the "never hear it when it happens" point during the final season.
Plus I don't think he could have filmed Tony dying on screen anyways due to the ending most likely getting leaked out.

I will say to your original post, I thought the last season was fantastic because it was so shocking to see Tony completely fall apart. He had a chance to not necessarily redeem himself, but at least go down a better path. He admits as much in a session with Melfi in "The Second Coming". "You know you have these thoughts and you almost grab it and then, pfft". He completely rejected his Finnerty experience, and eventually devolved into a person 10x worse than he was before.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...


I agree, but it just seems like a big middle finger to tell us a story for six seasons only for them to thumb their noses at us in the last episode and go, "well, you figure it out". Ambiguity can be awesome, but not when it comes out of nowhere and it leaves almost all the plot threads dangling.

Robert_T_Pooner posted...

Pretty sure he's gone on record in recent years to confirm Tony did die, but Chase has always said "if you look at it(the final scene), the answers are all there." Don't think he ever really waffled, just said to look closer and you'll find your answer. He really did hammer home the "never hear it when it happens" point during the final season.
Plus I don't think he could have filmed Tony dying on screen anyways due to the ending most likely getting leaked out.

I just read an article the other day of Chase saying how the entire thing was just set up to accompany "Don't Stop Believing", so he definitely has waffled a bit and refused to just outright state what it was.

Robert_T_Pooner posted...

I will say to your original post, I thought the last season was fantastic because it was so shocking to see Tony completely fall apart. He had a chance to not necessarily redeem himself, but at least go down a better path. He admits as much in a session with Melfi in "The Second Coming". "You know you have these thoughts and you almost grab it and then, pfft". He completely rejected his Finnerty experience, and eventually devolved into a person 10x worse than he was before.

Though I admit that I wasn't completely sold on how Tony's 'evil' felt completely devoid of motivation or reason, I actually agree with you for the most part. My complaint is all the random focus episodes that just go on about characters who meant little or whose plot threads were pretty soundly resolved seasons ago instead of focusing on Tony, his family, and the mob war. For example, the whole episode focusing on how Artie's restaurant was failing, completely out nowhere, and then resolved the same episode, yet we get no solid resolution about Tony's gun charges. Or the episode focused almost entirely on Vito's orphans, while they just completely glossed over Meadow's and AJ's respective relationships. Or the episode that was all about Paulie running the festival/fair in a shoddy manner, but then a couple episodes later Cleaver is released with like zero scenes about it's actual production.