Current Events > More Good Guys with Concealed Guns = More Violent Crime (lt)

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https://www.thetrace.org/2017/06/good-guys-guns-right-to-carry-laws-crime-rates/

In a new working paper published on June 21 by the National Bureau of Economic Research, academics at Stanford Law School ran that data through four different statistical models — including one developed by Lott for More Guns, Less Crime — and came back with an unambiguous conclusion: states that made it easier for their citizens to go armed in public had higher levels of non-fatal violent crime than those states that restricted the right to carry. The exception was the narrower category of murder; there, the researchers determined that any effect on homicide rates by expanded gun-carry policies is statistically insignificant.

edit: direct link to the Stanford publication: http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/

edit 2:

this was in a comment on the reddit thread where i found the original article. it looks like the article from 'thetrace' made a headline that was a tad misleading

First and foremost, the study/article does NOT claim that increased gun possession has increased crime. It DOES suggest that states with broader right to carry laws have not seen as dramatic a reduction in violent crime as states that have stricter gun laws. Which is to say that violent crime is down everywhere, but the researchers have found evidence that it would have decreased further had all states passed more restrictive gun laws. Very important distinction.
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It is arguing time!
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

nd came back with an unambiguous conclusion: states that made it easier for their citizens to go armed in public had higher levels of non-fatal violent crime than those states that restricted the right to carry.

And what about the levels of fatal violent crime? If you're going to post one stat, post the other, otherwise you're just lying.
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Crazyman93 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

nd came back with an unambiguous conclusion: states that made it easier for their citizens to go armed in public had higher levels of non-fatal violent crime than those states that restricted the right to carry.

And what about the levels of fatal violent crime? If you're going to post one stat, post the other, otherwise you're just lying.

it's literally in the next sentence.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

higher levels of non-fatal violent crime

hmm....
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Crazyman93 posted...

otherwise you're just lying

not necessarily lmao
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Since lowering the bar for concealed-carry licenses gradually leads more people to get those licenses (Florida alone has nearly 1.8 million people permitted to carry concealed guns, and Pennsylvania and Texas each have around one million), and because more guns in public is supposed to reduce crimes, then we should expect states to see less crime as “Shall Issue” laws kick in.

I can already see the flaws in the study.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

nd came back with an unambiguous conclusion: states that made it easier for their citizens to go armed in public had higher levels of non-fatal violent crime than those states that restricted the right to carry.

And what about the levels of fatal violent crime? If you're going to post one stat, post the other, otherwise you're just lying.

it's literally in the next sentence.

No, it literally just says murder.
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oh. if you're gonna be that nitpicky then go read the article / study from Stanford and argue with them
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Fake news, FAKE NEWS
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But we're debating with you. Either apply yourself or stop posting.
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Malcrasternus posted...

But we're debating with you. Either apply yourself or stop posting.

i just wanted to post an article and watch the reactions, tbqh. this is not a debate that is worth investing effort into. especially not here.
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What if they are arming themselves because of the rising crime?
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