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Marauder64 06/06/17 12:27:46 PM #153:	It seems the lesson here is for Christians to try and not put themselves in a situation like this where the law of the land attempts to take precedence over the Christians beliefs. Like for example, not being a police officer/security guard if you're a Christian and are against violence. I myself am just learning this honestly(I attempted to go for armed security training). --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:880522017] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>It seems the lesson here is for Christians to try and not put themselves in a situation like this where the law of the land attempts to take precedence over the Christians beliefs. Like for example, not being a police officer/security guard if you're a Christian and are against violence. I myself am just learning this honestly(I attempted to go for armed security training).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/06/17 12:28:25 PM #154:	DarkChozoGhost posted... AugustAdoulin posted... Or else they wouldn't be letting people on their second marriage get wed in churches... Many churches don't allow second marriages And many ones do. :v It all depends on what kind of denomination it is. Methodists tend to be more open about that kind of thing. --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:880522070] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote> Or else they wouldn't be letting people on their second marriage get wed in churches...</quote> Many churches don't allow second marriages</quote> And many ones do. :v It all depends on what kind of denomination it is. Methodists tend to be more open about that kind of thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi7 06/06/17 12:28:40 PM #155:	So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their shit if it were straight people who were being denied business. --- -The Admirable <cite>Waluigi7 posted [p:880522094] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their shit if it were straight people who were being denied business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/06/17 12:30:29 PM #156:	People keep saying it's denying business, it's NOT. It's denying service to one person while simultaneously doing whatever that exact service is for another person. The exception being if you are overbooked and cannot afford to do what is requested due to time constraints. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880522202] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>People keep saying it's denying business, it's NOT. It's denying service to one person while simultaneously doing whatever that exact service is for another person. The exception being if you are overbooked and cannot afford to do what is requested due to time constraints.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Melonfarms 06/06/17 12:32:53 PM #157:	Mormons don't have to worry about this anyway because Utah is 99.999% white. Also, I've never heard of Mormons having issues with interracial dating. I guess that is part of TCs bait though. --- PSN: obsurdrandom <cite>Melonfarms posted [p:880522344] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Mormons don't have to worry about this anyway because Utah is 99.999% white. Also, I've never heard of Mormons having issues with interracial dating. I guess that is part of TCs bait though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 06/06/17 12:42:16 PM #158:	Haldol posted... ReignFury posted... Gay people are the new black people No they are not A friend of mine who's gay has an 11 year old girl who proclaims to be transgender and his 13 year old son proclaiming to be gay. Its trending right now. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:880522967] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote>Gay people are the new black people</quote> No they are not</quote> A friend of mine who's gay has an 11 year old girl who proclaims to be transgender and his 13 year old son proclaiming to be gay. Its trending right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 06/06/17 12:45:12 PM #159:	Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. It's these damn people who take their business to certain businesses knowing very well that certain business might not like them and then the people act all hurt and bla bla bla. Im not going to a bakery in Tallahassee to get a Gators cake made. Why, because im not a prick and im not looking for attention. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:880523187] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. It's these damn people who take their business to certain businesses knowing very well that certain business might not like them and then the people act all hurt and bla bla bla. Im not going to a bakery in Tallahassee to get a Gators cake made. Why, because im not a prick and im not looking for attention.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/17 12:49:39 PM #160:	"We don't stock 'two guys' cake toppers." There. Problem solved. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:880523501] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>"We don't stock 'two guys' cake toppers." There. Problem solved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/06/17 12:51:19 PM #161:	Questionmarktarius posted... "We don't stock 'two guys' cake toppers." There. Problem solved. Just paint a mustache on the bride one. Takes like 2 seconds. --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:880523605] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>"We don't stock 'two guys' cake toppers." There. Problem solved.</quote> Just paint a mustache on the bride one. Takes like 2 seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 06/06/17 12:57:35 PM #162:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. The success of segregated restaurants in the south between civil war and ~1960's says otherwise. Turns out if both the owners and clients support the discrimination, it's good for business to not serve the minority. The laissez-faire approach is not always effective. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:880524065] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. </quote> The success of segregated restaurants in the south between civil war and ~1960's says otherwise. Turns out if both the owners and clients support the discrimination, it's good for business to not serve the minority. The laissez-faire approach is not always effective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gatorsPENSbucs 06/06/17 1:04:55 PM #164:	philsov posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. The success of segregated restaurants in the south between civil war and ~1960's says otherwise. Turns out if both the owners and clients support the discrimination, it's good for business to not serve the minority. The laissez-faire approach is not always effective. True true, but thankfully it's not the 60s anymore. But yah, you're right. They say no to a gay couple and probably a handful or so of straight couples will probably go there now. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:880524598] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>philsov posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Should be able to do whatever they want. End of the day if they say no it's only hurting themselves. </quote> The success of segregated restaurants in the south between civil war and ~1960's says otherwise. Turns out if both the owners and clients support the discrimination, it's good for business to not serve the minority. The laissez-faire approach is not always effective.</quote> True true, but thankfully it's not the 60s anymore. But yah, you're right. They say no to a gay couple and probably a handful or so of straight couples will probably go there now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSMajinVegeta2 06/06/17 1:06:10 PM #165:	Anyone should be able to refuse anyone at any time. If they do it enough they'll go out of business --- On my business card, I am a corporate president. In my mind, I am a game developer. But in my heart, I am a gamer. Satoru Iwata, 1959 - 2015 RIP GP God bless <cite>SSMajinVegeta2 posted [p:880524674] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Anyone should be able to refuse anyone at any time. If they do it enough they'll go out of business</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 06/06/17 1:07:38 PM #166:	Only if they clearly advertise it, that way the free market can cause their business to go under. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:880524768] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Only if they clearly advertise it, that way the free market can cause their business to go under.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 06/06/17 1:10:10 PM #167:	Waluigi7 posted... So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business. Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:880524909] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business.</quote> Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/17 1:13:16 PM #168:	Were_Wyrm posted... Only if they clearly advertise it, that way the free market can cause their business to go under. I wonder if there's a market niche for divorce cakes... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:880525094] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote>Only if they clearly advertise it, that way the free market can cause their business to go under.</quote>I wonder if there's a market niche for divorce cakes...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 06/06/17 1:13:44 PM #169:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Waluigi7 posted... So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business. Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason. Which posters? <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:880525115] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business.</quote> Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason.</quote> Which posters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaoticKnuckles 06/06/17 1:18:27 PM #170:	pinky0926 posted... Should Mormon bakeries be allowed to refuse to make a cake for an interracial marriage? What does this have to do with the topic title Where is the line drawn? I believe that's the point of the question. If it's okay to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple because you believe it's wrong, then why not an interracial couple as well? This is why religious discrimination being legal is a problem. What type of discrimination is acceptable? --- PSA: You look EXTREMELY immature when you announce that you're about to ignore someone. No one cares, including the person about to be ignored. Just FYI. <cite>ChaoticKnuckles posted [p:880525377] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Should Mormon bakeries be allowed to refuse to make a cake for an interracial marriage?</quote> What does this have to do with the topic title</quote> Where is the line drawn? I believe that's the point of the question. If it's okay to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple because you believe it's wrong, then why not an interracial couple as well? This is why religious discrimination being legal is a problem. What type of discrimination is acceptable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/17 1:19:10 PM #171:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Waluigi7 posted... So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business. Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason. "Place of public accommodation" though. A baker can stick a "no gays" sign on the door, or refuse service. Obligation to cater an event may well be beyond the scope of anti-discrimination, though. A Christian baker is no more obligated to cater and attend your gay wedding than a Jewish or Muslim caterer is obligated to cater and attend a Bacon & Beer festival. Failure to "Here's your cake, thank you bye" is where the real problem lies. mmmmm... bacon and beer festival... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:880525415] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>So many of you guys, notably ProudClad, would be losing their s* if it were straight people who were being denied business.</quote> Many of these very same posters (Proudclown included) lost their shit at the female only showing of Wonder Woman. They'd have a leg to stand on if their beliefs were at all consistent, but they're shitposters for a reason.</quote> "Place of public accommodation" though. A baker can stick a "no gays" sign on the door, or refuse service. Obligation to cater an event may well be beyond the scope of anti-discrimination, though. A Christian baker is no more obligated to cater and attend your gay wedding than a Jewish or Muslim caterer is obligated to cater and attend a Bacon & Beer festival. Failure to "Here's your cake, thank you bye" is where the real problem lies. mmmmm... bacon and beer festival...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taxer 06/06/17 1:22:30 PM #172:	The main reason why it shouldn't be allowed has been addressed here already. In areas where the same-sex discrimination is to be expected, the bakeries that refuse service will be supported and cheered by their community. --- https://soundcloud.com/taxerthetyrant <cite>Taxer posted [p:880525639] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>The main reason why it shouldn't be allowed has been addressed here already. In areas where the same-sex discrimination is to be expected, the bakeries that refuse service will be supported and cheered by their community.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 06/06/17 1:28:25 PM #173:	Asherlee10 posted... Haldol posted... AugustAdoulin posted... Haldol posted... It states clear as day in the bible about how gay relations (not being gay mind you) is an abomination to God.I don't know how many interpretations you can make out of that... The bible also says that divorce is adultery and that Jesus would return before the year 2000. :u Like I said, you can't trust it word for word. Most modern Christians don't (except for the crazies). No where in the bible does it say when Jesus will return. It clearly says that only God knows that. And yea, clearly divorce is not something God condones, are you saying that it should be ok?? Don't try me with the bible. I've been going to Christian schools my whole life Dude, you're a nutcase. Nice rebuttal <cite>Haldol posted [p:880526039] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote>It states clear as day in the bible about how gay relations (not being gay mind you) is an abomination to God.I don't know how many interpretations you can make out of that...</quote> The bible also says that divorce is adultery and that Jesus would return before the year 2000. :u Like I said, you can't trust it word for word. Most modern Christians don't (except for the crazies).</quote> No where in the bible does it say when Jesus will return. It clearly says that only God knows that. And yea, clearly divorce is not something God condones, are you saying that it should be ok?? Don't try me with the bible. I've been going to Christian schools my whole life</quote> Dude, you're a nutcase.</quote> Nice rebuttal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scoobydoobydont 06/06/17 1:38:55 PM #175:	Haldol posted... Nice rebuttal No point in trying to rebut a nutcase like you. You are, after all, the self-professed result of Christian "schooling". Reason and facts have no sway with you. --- http://i.imgur.com/z16bN1C.gif <cite>scoobydoobydont posted [p:880526719] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote>Nice rebuttal</quote> No point in trying to rebut a nutcase like you. You are, after all, the self-professed result of Christian "schooling". Reason and facts have no sway with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aliashubbatch 06/06/17 1:44:35 PM #176:	Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood. <cite>aliashubbatch posted [p:880527080] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/17 1:45:53 PM #177:	aliashubbatch posted... It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood. ...and cash in on an easy lawsuit. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:880527162] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>aliashubbatch posted...</cite> <quote>It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood.</quote> ...and cash in on an easy lawsuit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/06/17 1:46:09 PM #178:	aliashubbatch posted... Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood. One, they likely had no way to know it was a "christian" bakery. Two, as such I would be pissed to and I would have done the same thing. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880527180] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>aliashubbatch posted...</cite> <quote>Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood.</quote> One, they likely had no way to know it was a "christian" bakery. Two, as such I would be pissed to and I would have done the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 06/06/17 1:47:05 PM #179:	fenderbender321 posted... Nobody should be forced to conduct trade with anyone. Trade is a voluntary transaction between 2 consenting parties. DifferentialEquation posted... I'd rather they be allowed to do so and lose business to a competitor than have more government overreach. voldothegr8 posted... Private businesses should be able to deny any customer for any reason, even if those reasons are bigoted. On the flip side of that coin private businesses should also expect backlash and public consequences from making such decisions. dummy420 posted... They should have the right to refuse service as a private company. They also have to accept the consequences when it becomes known they refuse service based on the fact that a couple is gay. Dustin1280 posted... All the stories of bakeries going out of business because of the backlash for not making a damn "gay" cake. Are music to my ears, they deserve to go out of business. Fuck 'em All of these, regardless of how contradictory they may seem --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:880527233] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody should be forced to conduct trade with anyone. Trade is a voluntary transaction between 2 consenting parties.</quote> <cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>I'd rather they be allowed to do so and lose business to a competitor than have more government overreach.</quote> <cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses should be able to deny any customer for any reason, even if those reasons are bigoted. On the flip side of that coin private businesses should also expect backlash and public consequences from making such decisions.</quote> <cite>dummy420 posted...</cite> <quote>They should have the right to refuse service as a private company. They also have to accept the consequences when it becomes known they refuse service based on the fact that a couple is gay.</quote> <cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>All the stories of bakeries going out of business because of the backlash for not making a damn "gay" cake. Are music to my ears, they deserve to go out of business. Fuck 'em</quote> All of these, regardless of how contradictory they may seem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 06/06/17 1:47:26 PM #180:	Asherlee10 posted... Haldol posted... Asherlee10 posted... Haldol posted... AugustAdoulin posted... Haldol posted... It states clear as day in the bible about how gay relations (not being gay mind you) is an abomination to God.I don't know how many interpretations you can make out of that... The bible also says that divorce is adultery and that Jesus would return before the year 2000. :u Like I said, you can't trust it word for word. Most modern Christians don't (except for the crazies). No where in the bible does it say when Jesus will return. It clearly says that only God knows that. And yea, clearly divorce is not something God condones, are you saying that it should be ok?? Don't try me with the bible. I've been going to Christian schools my whole life Dude, you're a nutcase. Nice rebuttal Not everything requires rebuttal. You have to be making some actual logically statements, not boasting on your so-called Christian knowledge. So show me where I'm wrong then since my so called knowledge is being called into question <cite>Haldol posted [p:880527267] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AugustAdoulin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote>It states clear as day in the bible about how gay relations (not being gay mind you) is an abomination to God.I don't know how many interpretations you can make out of that...</quote> The bible also says that divorce is adultery and that Jesus would return before the year 2000. :u Like I said, you can't trust it word for word. Most modern Christians don't (except for the crazies).</quote> No where in the bible does it say when Jesus will return. It clearly says that only God knows that. And yea, clearly divorce is not something God condones, are you saying that it should be ok?? Don't try me with the bible. I've been going to Christian schools my whole life</quote> Dude, you're a nutcase.</quote> Nice rebuttal</quote> Not everything requires rebuttal. You have to be making some actual logically statements, not boasting on your so-called Christian knowledge.</quote> So show me where I'm wrong then since my so called knowledge is being called into question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/06/17 1:47:41 PM #181:	aliashubbatch posted... Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood. Most people can't tell if a bakery is going to have crazy Christian bakers just by looking at it. Gay people aren't specifically picking these bakeries to cause trouble, and when you get discriminated against it is normal to be upset. --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:880527287] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>aliashubbatch posted...</cite> <quote>Any reason why the gay couple can't just go to another bakery? It seems like they're intentionally starting trouble to cry victimhood.</quote> Most people can't tell if a bakery is going to have crazy Christian bakers just by looking at it. Gay people aren't specifically picking these bakeries to cause trouble, and when you get discriminated against it is normal to be upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 06/06/17 1:47:59 PM #182:	scoobydoobydont posted... Haldol posted... Nice rebuttal No point in trying to rebut a nutcase like you. You are, after all, the self-professed result of Christian "schooling". Reason and facts have no sway with you. Again. Show me where my statements are incorrect <cite>Haldol posted [p:880527303] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>scoobydoobydont posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Haldol posted...</cite> <quote>Nice rebuttal</quote> No point in trying to rebut a nutcase like you. You are, after all, the self-professed result of Christian "schooling". Reason and facts have no sway with you.</quote> Again. Show me where my statements are incorrect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Go_Totodile 06/06/17 1:49:09 PM #183:	A business should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Let the market decide who is right and wrong. <cite>Go_Totodile posted [p:880527390] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>A business should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Let the market decide who is right and wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 06/06/17 1:52:43 PM #184:	Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Well there's your answer. --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:880527643] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Well there's your answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DreamwaIker 06/06/17 1:54:23 PM #185:	green butter posted... Should Mormon Best Buy employees be forced to sell iPhones to gay people, knowing full well that this phone may be used to send suggestive photos and winking emojis to their same-sex partners? XD --- Play my weird CYOA / Escape / Puzzle / whatever-else game "Escape the Hive!" https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/839-games-n-things/74859173 <cite>DreamwaIker posted [p:880527763] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>green butter posted...</cite> <quote>Should Mormon Best Buy employees be forced to sell iPhones to gay people, knowing full well that this phone may be used to send suggestive photos and winking emojis to their same-sex partners?</quote> XD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 06/06/17 1:57:21 PM #186:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Well there's your answer. Sure. I'm black. I wouldn't care I'd just go somewhere else. I'm not gonna beg people to take my money <cite>Haldol posted [p:880527975] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted...</cite> <quote>Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Well there's your answer.</quote> Sure. I'm black. I wouldn't care I'd just go somewhere else. I'm not gonna beg people to take my money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 06/06/17 1:58:25 PM #187:	Go_Totodile posted... Let the market decide who is right and wrong. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:880528043] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Go_Totodile posted...</cite> <quote>Let the market decide who is right and wrong.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 06/06/17 2:04:50 PM #189:	philsov posted... Go_Totodile posted... Let the market decide who is right and wrong. Don't forget the "No Dogs, No ****, No Jews." signs Discrimination is not okay You don't have the freedom to discriminate. That's contradictory. you can't refuse to serve women or black people or gay people just because you hate them. And if you don't agree to that basic logical moral prinicpal then you cannot open a businsess in the US and as everyone else has mentioned take advantage of the society you're trying to destroy that aided you in acquiring wealth. --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:880528470] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>philsov posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Go_Totodile posted...</cite> <quote>Let the market decide who is right and wrong.</quote> </quote> Don't forget the "No Dogs, No ****, No Jews." signs Discrimination is not okay You don't have the freedom to discriminate. That's contradictory. you can't refuse to serve women or black people or gay people just because you hate them. And if you don't agree to that basic logical moral prinicpal then you cannot open a businsess in the US and as everyone else has mentioned take advantage of the society you're trying to destroy that aided you in acquiring wealth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 06/06/17 2:06:07 PM #190:	Nothing wrong with divorce if the marriage is irreparable. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:880528551] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Nothing wrong with divorce if the marriage is irreparable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 06/06/17 2:08:32 PM #191:	Nope. If your business offers services to the general public, it has to abide by the anti-discrimination laws. If they don't like it, they have to deal with the consequences just like anyone else. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:880528684] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Nope. If your business offers services to the general public, it has to abide by the anti-discrimination laws. If they don't like it, they have to deal with the consequences just like anyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sanktu_Vyvorant 06/06/17 2:10:16 PM #192:	Are there even as many people that voted in the poll that post on CE? --- "You know that NATO didn't exist before 9/11, right?" - Mal_Fet <cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted [p:880528782] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>Are there even as many people that voted in the poll that post on CE?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdwardoMario16 06/06/17 2:13:08 PM #193:	dummy420 posted... They should have the right to refuse service as a private company. They also have to accept the consequences when it becomes known they refuse service based on the fact that a couple is gay. They did not refuse service because the couple is gay. They refused service because the cake displays a message that supports gay marriage, which they do no agree with. --- This is the worst bird yet. <cite>EdwardoMario16 posted [p:880529002] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>dummy420 posted...</cite> <quote>They should have the right to refuse service as a private company. They also have to accept the consequences when it becomes known they refuse service based on the fact that a couple is gay.</quote> They did not refuse service because the couple is gay. They refused service because the cake displays a message that supports gay marriage, which they do no agree with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdwardoMario16 06/06/17 2:14:23 PM #194:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. And the couple wasn't denied a cake because they were gay. --- This is the worst bird yet. <cite>EdwardoMario16 posted [p:880529092] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted...</cite> <quote>Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people?</quote> Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. And the couple wasn't denied a cake because they were gay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/06/17 2:14:37 PM #195:	If baking a cake for a wedding means the baker PARTICIPATED in the wedding, Hypothetically, does that mean Calvin Klein should be able to sue if they find out one of their suits was worn at that wedding? "We here at Calvin Klein did not give them permission to force us to participate in this gay wedding by wearing our suits".... <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:880529106] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>If baking a cake for a wedding means the baker PARTICIPATED in the wedding, Hypothetically, does that mean Calvin Klein should be able to sue if they find out one of their suits was worn at that wedding? "We here at Calvin Klein did not give them permission to force us to participate in this gay wedding by wearing our suits"....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 06/06/17 2:15:08 PM #196:	EdwardoMario16 posted... They refused service because the cake displays a message that supports gay marriage, which they do no agree with. Same thing. --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:880529144] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote> They refused service because the cake displays a message that supports gay marriage, which they do no agree with.</quote> Same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/06/17 2:15:13 PM #197:	EdwardoMario16 posted... Choice in sexual orientation lol people still think sexual orientation is a choice? Yea man so tell us about the time you consciously chose to like women.... <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:880529154] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote>Choice in sexual orientation</quote> lol people still think sexual orientation is a choice? Yea man so tell us about the time you consciously chose to like women....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sanktu_Vyvorant 06/06/17 2:15:46 PM #199:	EdwardoMario16 posted... Guns_of_Verdun posted... Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people? Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. And the couple wasn't denied a cake because they were gay. Yes it is because neither of those are choices --- "You know that NATO didn't exist before 9/11, right?" - Mal_Fet <cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted [p:880529195] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted...</cite> <quote>Should Christian bakeries be allowed to refuse to make cake for black people?</quote> Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. And the couple wasn't denied a cake because they were gay.</quote> Yes it is because neither of those are choices</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scoobydoobydont 06/06/17 2:16:33 PM #200:	EdwardoMario16 posted... Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. Being born with a particular sexual orientation is exactly the same as being born with a different skin color. Bigotry of either is equally bullshit. --- http://i.imgur.com/z16bN1C.gif <cite>scoobydoobydont posted [p:880529245] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote>Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color.</quote> Being born with a particular sexual orientation is exactly the same as being born with a different skin color. Bigotry of either is equally bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 06/06/17 2:17:21 PM #201:	EdwardoMario16 posted... Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color. Discrimination is still discrimination. "Racism is not the same thing as homophobia!" is a moot point. Who doesn't want customers? Bigots. --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:880529294] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote> Choice in sexual orientation is not the same as being born with a skin color.</quote> Discrimination is still discrimination. "Racism is not the same thing as homophobia!" is a moot point. <quote> Who doesn't want customers?</quote> Bigots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DCdemonic1 06/06/17 2:19:23 PM #202:	If it's a custom made cake that requires a baker to invest extra time it should be up to the baker to accept the job or not. No one should ever be forced to accept a custom job or order. If the cake is just a normal cake the bakery makes and sells to the general public it's a different story and they should be forced to sell it. To me there's a distinct difference between custom orders and general everyday orders and which should have more discretion on acceptance of the job or not. Personally I don't know why you'd want to get a cake from someone who doesn't want to make it for you. I personally wouldn't trust them. <cite>DCdemonic1 posted [p:880529430] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote>If it's a custom made cake that requires a baker to invest extra time it should be up to the baker to accept the job or not. No one should ever be forced to accept a custom job or order. If the cake is just a normal cake the bakery makes and sells to the general public it's a different story and they should be forced to sell it. To me there's a distinct difference between custom orders and general everyday orders and which should have more discretion on acceptance of the job or not. Personally I don't know why you'd want to get a cake from someone who doesn't want to make it for you. I personally wouldn't trust them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 06/06/17 2:19:59 PM #203:	TheVipaGTS posted... EdwardoMario16 posted... Choice in sexual orientation lol people still think sexual orientation is a choice? Yea man so tell us about the time you consciously chose to like women.... @EdwardoMario16 --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:880529473] in Should Chr... [t:75427891]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EdwardoMario16 posted...</cite> <quote>Choice in sexual orientation</quote> lol people still think sexual orientation is a choice? Yea man so tell us about the time you consciously chose to like women....</quote> @EdwardoMario16</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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