Current Events > What's going to happen to the "Critics are Marvel fanboys" narrative?

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Is it going to turn into "Critics are Marvel fanboys and feminist SJWs who allow their PC tendencies to take precedence"?
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People will continue to just ignore DC fans.
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Disney forgot to pay this time.
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K181 posted...

People will continue to just ignore DC fans.

Woah woah woah easy there! I (Butters) AM a DC fan but I happen to be pretty embarrassed by the DCEU so far. MoS and BvS were hot gahbage, SS was decent, and I've still yet to see WW.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

Is it going to turn into "Critics are Marvel fanboys and feminist SJWs who allow their PC tendencies to take precedence"?

Critics will continue to be Marvel Fanboys.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

Is it going to turn into "Critics are Marvel fanboys and feminist SJWs who allow their PC tendencies to take precedence"?

Critics will continue to be Marvel Fanboys.

Marvel fanboys who give good reviews to DC movies? Does not compute unless you add another component to an already convoluted narrative.
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Pixar shills trying to sabotage disney
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Some critics and publications just have super weird hate boners for Snyder

They just gonna get their digs in whenever possible
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Mike_Stanton posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

Is it going to turn into "Critics are Marvel fanboys and feminist SJWs who allow their PC tendencies to take precedence"?

Critics will continue to be Marvel Fanboys.

Marvel fanboys who give good reviews to DC movies? Does not compute unless you add another component to an already convoluted narrative.

There is nothing to compute.

Fanboyism makes you blind to negative aspects of your preferred medium. It doesn't make you blind positive aspects of others--but you still see their negative qualities. As such, your preferred medium is perfect and the optimal choice. While other mediums have good things, yours just does it better.
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TheoryzC posted...

Some critics and publications just have super weird hate boners for Snyder

They just gonna get their digs in whenever possible

Oh so now it's all about Zack Snyder (i.e. the guy who didn't direct SS)?

ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

Is it going to turn into "Critics are Marvel fanboys and feminist SJWs who allow their PC tendencies to take precedence"?

Critics will continue to be Marvel Fanboys.

Marvel fanboys who give good reviews to DC movies? Does not compute unless you add another component to an already convoluted narrative.

There is nothing to compute.

Fanboyism makes you blind to negative aspects of your preferred medium. It doesn't make you blind positive aspects of others--but you still see their negative qualities. As such, your preferred medium is perfect and the optimal choice. While other mediums have good things, yours just does it better.

That's all true, but the narrative about critics being Marvel fanboys was being used to explain why none of the DCEU movies were certified fresh on RT. Hence, DC apologists must now scramble for an explanation as to why WW was given such good reviews.
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From what I hear (will only know on Friday), WW is a lot more "light" in tone than previous DCEU entries.

Shitty hypothesis: Assuming its success isn't attributed to feminism, entrenched DC trolls will say Wonder Woman is shit, and had to forsake the vision of the DCEU and copy shitty Marvel movies to get popular.

I say this as someone who prefers DC to Marvel and thinks Wonder Woman is the bomb. >_>
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AlisLandale posted...

From what I hear (will only know on Friday), WW is a lot more "light" in tone than previous DCEU entries.

I honestly never had much of a problem with MoS or BvS being too dark and dour. The main problems with them have to do with uneven acting and writing, very questionable pacing, and that whenever they do attempt comic relief it usually isn't very good.

AlisLandale posted...

Shitty hypothesis: Assuming its success isn't attributed to feminism, entrenched DC trolls will say Wonder Woman is shit, and had to forsake the vision of the DCEU and copy shitty Marvel movies to get popular.

That would be amusing, although one only has to point towards the tone that SS had in order to refute that argument.
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Is it not possible to like DC and Marvel?
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Mike_Stanton posted...

That's all true, but the narrative about critics being Marvel fanboys was being used to explain why none of the DCEU movies were certified fresh on RT. Hence, DC apologists must now scramble for an explanation as to why WW was given such good reviews.

Well the narrative was about why critics rated certain movies poorly despite Marvel movies being guilty of many of the same sins, which is where the fanboyism comes into place.

But it's not also just a matter of Marvel-fanboyism. A great deal of the negative reviews surrounding MoS and BvS come from people who are basically nostalgic for Chris Reeves' Superman and to them, unless you copy that movie's style and themes, you're just doing it wrong and nothing will convince them otherwise.

A great deal of people who hated certain scenes made complaints while praising other things that were contradictory. While a great many people praise The Dark Knight Returns, for example, they also complained a great deal about Superman's motivation to go fight Batman in BvS. However, in The Dark Knight Returns. Superman goes to fight Batman just because the president asked him nicely. That's all it took.

Stuff like this is why a lot of "DC Fans" are hard on critics, because the critics are spewing obvious bullshit.

Marvel comparatively has less fans and a lot of their characters, particularly villains, are obscure and no one knows who they are. Thor doesn't have a legion of angry fanboys who are mad that he's misrepresented in some subtle way. Longtime readers of Thor comics however likely have several major complaints about the movies.
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Nomadic View posted...

Is it not possible to like DC and Marvel?

Of course. I grew up on DC and was never into Marvel at all as a kid, but I still enjoy most of the Marvel movies. I'm just addressing people who believe that critics have only been hard on the DCEU because of their supposed Marvel bias.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Well the narrative was about why critics rated certain movies poorly despite Marvel movies being guilty of many of the same sins, which is where the fanboyism comes into place.

I've never heard it expressed that way before, but fair enough.

ChromaticAngel posted...

But it's not also just a matter of Marvel-fanboyism. A great deal of the negative reviews surrounding MoS and BvS come from people who are basically nostalgic for Chris Reeves' Superman and to them, unless you copy that movie's style and themes, you're just doing it wrong and nothing will convince them otherwise.

I don't speak for everybody, but I liked the fact that MoS went with a darker tone. The problem was in the execution. Henry Cavill's acting is wooden as hell, the pacing is all fucked up, and the script is terrible by any standard. They tried to make the character a much darker version than in Reeves' portrayal, but they over-compensated and made him into a sulky whiner who just seems like he's ready to start complaining about the current state of the Krypton metal scene. Maybe some were just blinded by nostalgia, but to me it was more of a failure to properly depict the Superman mythos in a darker way than past adaptions have.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Marvel comparatively has less fans and a lot of their characters, particularly villains, are obscure and no one knows who they are. Thor doesn't have a legion of angry fanboys who are mad that he's misrepresented in some subtle way. Longtime readers of Thor comics however likely have several major complaints about the movies.

Very good point, but there's still a big difference between having certain expectations due to nostalgia, and having a particular affinity for Marvel.
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We'll go right back to that narrative once JL tanks.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

I don't speak for everybody, but I liked the fact that MoS went with a darker tone. The problem was in the execution. Henry Cavill's acting is wooden as hell, the pacing is all fucked up, and the script is terrible by any standard. They tried to make the character a much darker version than in Reeves' portrayal, but they over-compensated and made him into a sulky whiner who just seems like he's ready to start complaining about the current state of the Krypton metal scene. Maybe some were just blinded by nostalgia, but to me it was more of a failure to properly depict the Superman mythos in a darker way than past adaptions have.

Nah. The issue here is as I've said in another thread. Warner Bros tried to get Snyder to make a Nolan movie. It didn't quite work. Joss Whedon will probably make Henry do a much better job, although I really didn't like some of the things he did with MCU so I'm worried about what will happen with the rest of the movies if they give him total control.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Nah. The issue here is as I've said in another thread. Warner Bros tried to get Snyder to make a Nolan movie.

That's basically what I'm saying though. They had the right idea in making it darker, but they did it completely wrong.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Joss Whedon will probably make Henry do a much better job, although I really didn't like some of the things he did with MCU so I'm worried about what will happen with the rest of the movies if they give him total control.

I haven't seen Cavill in anything else, but I know he's acknowledged that he was given a bad script. Is he really an okay actor most of the time?
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Mike_Stanton posted...

Oh so now it's all about Zack Snyder (i.e. the guy who didn't direct SS)?

Its always been about Snyder

A small group of fanboys push that "Disney is paying off critics" narrative and people everywhere blow that shit out of proportion run with it every chance they get as a mark against the fan base as a whole. And now your lumping those fanboys in with the anti-sjw crowd. C'mon, son

The problem has always been the fact that people just REALLY hate Snyder and whatever he touches. For totally legitimate reasons and some not justified.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

That's basically what I'm saying though. They had the right idea in making it darker, but they did it completely wrong.

Snyder was a good pick but his hands were tied by WB trying to make him emulate the success of Nolan Batman.

Make people do work they're good at, not copycat someone else's good work, IMO. Snyder would have been a fantastic pick for an Injustice movie, and if they ever do one, I hope he returns to direct.
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TheoryzC posted...

Its always been about Snyder

I agree. It IS about Snyder, but not because people have a vendetta against him. It's because he's a director who on occasion will put out a solid movie, but more often than not he's just a guy with a bunch of ideas in his head that are mostly bad, yet the guy still thinks that his ideas are brilliant simply because they're unique. And then to make matters worse, many of these brilliant ideas of his involve saturating his films with gratuitous CGI masturbation.

TheoryzC posted...

A small group of fanboys push that "Disney is paying off critics" narrative and people everywhere blow that shit out of proportion run with it every chance they get as a mark against the fan base as a whole. And now your lumping those fanboys in with the anti-sjw crowd. C'mon, son

I'm merely trying to understand how fanboys are going to alter the narrative to explain WW's universal acclaim. Chill out, home boy.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

but more often than not he's just a guy with a bunch of ideas in his head that are mostly bad

I disagree. He has a lot of good ideas, he just rarely gets to implement them according to his vision. His movies are massacred by editors and arbitrary time and ratings restrictions.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Snyder was a good pick but his hands were tied by WB trying to make him emulate the success of Nolan Batman.

Are you sure? Because it always seemed like the downfall for MoS and BvS especially was that Snyder had a little too much creative freedom. For example, it was his idea to make Lex Luthor into some white collar corporate version of the Joker. Can you imagine Nolan depicting Carmine Falcone or Daggett as slapstick comic relief villains? I sure can't. If anything, Snyder would have been better off had he been more heavily regulated. Wouldn't have been that difficult either considering the script was penned by the same guy that wrote TDK.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

but more often than not he's just a guy with a bunch of ideas in his head that are mostly bad

I disagree. He has a lot of good ideas, he just rarely gets to implement them according to his vision. His movies are massacred by editors and arbitrary time and ratings restrictions.

I've always been under the impression that the main reason he sometimes puts out a good movie is because when a guy does nothing but brainstorm as many ideas as he can possibly think of, statistically he's going to have some brilliant ones every now and then.
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Mike_Stanton posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Snyder was a good pick but his hands were tied by WB trying to make him emulate the success of Nolan Batman.

Are you sure? Because it always seemed like the downfall for MoS and BvS especially was that Snyder had a little too much creative freedom. For example, it was his idea to make Lex Luthor into some white collar corporate version of the Joker. Can you imagine Nolan depicting Carmine Falcone or Daggett as slapstick comic relief villains? I sure can't. If anything, Snyder would have been better off had he been more heavily regulated. Wouldn't have been that difficult either considering the script was penned by the same guy that wrote TDK.

That was Jesse's idea and he just kind of rolled with it. He also had probably the best performance in the whole movie.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mike_Stanton posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Snyder was a good pick but his hands were tied by WB trying to make him emulate the success of Nolan Batman.

Are you sure? Because it always seemed like the downfall for MoS and BvS especially was that Snyder had a little too much creative freedom. For example, it was his idea to make Lex Luthor into some white collar corporate version of the Joker. Can you imagine Nolan depicting Carmine Falcone or Daggett as slapstick comic relief villains? I sure can't. If anything, Snyder would have been better off had he been more heavily regulated. Wouldn't have been that difficult either considering the script was penned by the same guy that wrote TDK.

That was Jesse's idea and he just kind of rolled with it. He also had probably the best performance in the whole movie.

If I'm not mistaken, Jesse originally auditioned to play Jimmy Olson only to lose interest after finding out that he was getting his head blown off shortly after being introduced (another one of Snyder's ludicrous ideas). Then after the audition Snyder thought the guy was such a crazy weirdo that he'd make a great Lex Luthor. Are you sure it was Eisenberg's idea? Because I always heard and read that it was all Snyder. And based on how the casting happened in the first place, that seems likely to be the case.
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