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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners/ar-BBBB462?li=BBnbfcL

"Europe "must take its fate into its own hands" faced with a western alliance divided by Brexit and Donald Trump's presidency, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday.

"We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands," she added."

(MODS - Not the whole article. Not even close)

That's right. The primary purpose to put cheeto in power was to break the alliance between us and europe. Mission accomplished.

As we withdraw from leadership in the global stage (TPP, Paris Agreement, NATO, UN) somebody else will fill the void, and Russia will be unchecked.

I wonder if the "speak murrican!!! this is murrica!" MAGA folks will mind learning Russian, tovarisch?
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So this is it then. This is how the world burns.
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I guess I was the only one smart enough to realize WHY Putin was friendly with Trump.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

So this is it then. This is how the world burns.

:(
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spudger posted...

I guess I was the only one smart enough to realize WHY Putin was friendly with Trump.

many of us said it over and over. But the overwhelming response drowning our voices was "lol u cucks u scared our dear emperor will kick teh mecsicans and moosleems and blue lifes matteering MAGA MAGA white again!" :(
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I welcome our new russian overlords
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ROD posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

So this is it then. This is how the world burns.

:(

Da
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ROD posted...

spudger posted...

I guess I was the only one smart enough to realize WHY Putin was friendly with Trump.

many of us said it over and over. But the overwhelming response drowning our voices was "lol u cucks u scared our dear emperor will kick teh mecsicans and moosleems and blue lifes matteering MAGA MAGA white again!" :(

drowned out by idiots. wonderful....
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European nations are fucked with its current arrangement and fucked without it.

Unless the EU is torn down and replaced with something that doesn't seek to blow its own brains out for the benefit of German manufacturing and the virtue signalling of a political class then it's going to be screwed regardless.

The US has only ever done things based on what it can get out of it. Pretending that supporting European nations is some act of solidarity is bullshit.

If the EU had any sense it would look to improve relations with nations that keep the US up at night. If the US is withdrawing from a power structure then it gives an opportunity to do that. Until of course relations improve, the US sulks and we're back to square one.
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Not to downplay the whole thing, but it is election season in Germany. Let's not judge our European allies to be so myopic. In 4-8 years, everyone will be like, "phew, now let's pick up where we left off."

In fact, the world stage is actually taking the right action here. When a toddler acts out, you don't indulge them. You don't reinforce the behavior by giving it the attention it wants.

Trump is merely being exposed to the same lesson Joffrey learned. A leader is not entitled to respect. A leader is not entitled to loyalty. A leader isn't appointed. It is not a blank check to act as you will. A leader acts in a manner befit a leader, and that is what makes them one. Without the matching behavior, you're just a pretender.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

In 4-8 years, everyone will be like, "phew, now let's pick up where we left off."

pretty much. yeah it's a little shitty right now, and there are real consequences we're dealing with, but it's not the end of the world
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So we joined the bad guys side?
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whose joffrey
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Russia literally can't do shit. They have no industry. They have no agriculture.
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Hicks233 posted...

European nations are fucked with its current arrangement and fucked without it.

Unless the EU is torn down and replaced with something that doesn't seek to blow its own brains out for the benefit of German manufacturing and the virtue signalling of a political class then it's going to be screwed regardless.

The US has only ever done things based on what it can get out of it. Pretending that supporting European nations is some act of solidarity is bullshit.

If the EU had any sense it would look to improve relations with nations that keep the US up at night. If the US is withdrawing from a power structure then it gives an opportunity to do that. Until of course relations improve, the US sulks and we're back to square one.

The EU is the one thing keeping russia from taking over some of its former satellite states so it can "revive its empire".
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Large part of saying so.about Britain is to try and force us to take a worse deal in leaving EU and to scare anyone else from doing it.
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Ogon’ po gotovnosti!
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Soviet_Poland posted...

Not to downplay the whole thing, but it is election season in Germany. Let's not judge our European allies to be so myopic. In 4-8 years, everyone will be like, "phew, now let's pick up where we left off."

In fact, the world stage is actually taking the right action here. When a toddler acts out, you don't indulge them. You don't reinforce the behavior by giving it the attention it wants.

Trump is merely being exposed to the same lesson Joffrey learned. A leader is not entitled to respect. A leader is not entitled to loyalty. A leader isn't appointed. It is not a blank check to act as you will. A leader acts in a manner befit a leader, and that is what makes them one. Without the matching behavior, you're just a pretender.

While you raise a good point, a very good one, I am not sure after 4 or 8 years they will go like "whew! let's resume ^_^ ".

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.
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EnragedSlith posted...

Russia literally can't do shit. They have no industry. They have no agriculture.

yet they broke the biggest alliance this world has ever seen
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Soviet_Shurima posted...

whose joffrey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joffrey_Baratheon
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ROD posted...

Hicks233 posted...

European nations are fucked with its current arrangement and fucked without it.

Unless the EU is torn down and replaced with something that doesn't seek to blow its own brains out for the benefit of German manufacturing and the virtue signalling of a political class then it's going to be screwed regardless.

The US has only ever done things based on what it can get out of it. Pretending that supporting European nations is some act of solidarity is bullshit.

If the EU had any sense it would look to improve relations with nations that keep the US up at night. If the US is withdrawing from a power structure then it gives an opportunity to do that. Until of course relations improve, the US sulks and we're back to square one.

The EU is the one thing keeping russia from taking over some of its former satellite states so it can "revive its empire".

You mean NATO.

NATO, trade sanctions and US military bases surrounding Russia have for good or ill contained a post-USSR Russia. International trade, China's ascendancy and periods of global recession have kept Russia in a position where it cannot yet become as viable a "threat" as it once was.

The EU has done little but become one of the most achingly unsustainable welfare states in history and at the same time made itself look appealing for takeover - but a nightmare to then run. It's a poisoned chalice. If the EU forms its own military it will create its own problems, least of all; who'll actually pay for it and fight for it, let alone what they're supposed to be fighting for.

Better relations with Russia would help. That would be much too sensible though. Russia and the US have enough coherency as nations to play empire, perhaps they've learnt that empires need to be ran and enforced which takes blood and money. The US is likely to look to scale back its global involvement, which could be a good thing. Blaming Russia for desiring to expand or assert themselves while surrounding them with forces is hypocrisy. Russia isn't strong enough economically though to safely go expansionist. They could gamble and use conflict as the catalyst for revival as Nazi Germany did, unless you win though then you'll end up even worse off. In a nuclear world though, nobody wins.

The EU is about as much use as herding cats, wants to play empire but can't even form a cohesive identity for people to rally to.

The inbred suspicion the US has of Russia and likewise is more than likely to prevent them from pulling either of their heads out of their arses. Expecting the EU to fill that void would be foolishness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebLU-SSnMKs
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebLU-SSnMKs

LOL
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ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebLU-SSnMKs

God dammit Zack, do you always have a wrestling-related video handy to be relevant for any topic?
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I was told by Libby Hippies that Republicans are doom and gloom.
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@Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though

Why would he lose 2020? If anything he will have an easier victory this time. The Montana election truly opened my eyes. The GOP guy was a plutocrat out of touch with the people, a man who voted to take away their health care (in a state that relies heavily on it!) and he literally assaulted a reporter right before the election. The Dem candidate was a man of the people (a country singer!) . Yet the GOP won anyway. NOTHING can make them lose.

Voter suppression, blatant gerrymandering, kicking out as many hispanics as they can and incarcerating as many blacks as they can in time for 2020 will make for an insanely easy election. We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.
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ROD posted...

a man who voted to take away their health care

this was an open seat election. neither candidate had ever been in office. gianforte had previously run for governor and lost
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I think the most powerful military/economy will survive just fine until the next talking head undoes Trump's fuckery.
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lol
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ROD posted...

We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

lol nah
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ROD posted...

@Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though

Why would he lose 2020? If anything he will have an easier victory this time. The Montana election truly opened my eyes. The GOP guy was a plutocrat out of touch with the people, a man who voted to take away their health care (in a state that relies heavily on it!) and he literally assaulted a reporter right before the election. The Dem candidate was a man of the people (a country singer!) . Yet the GOP won anyway. NOTHING can make them lose.

Voter suppression, blatant gerrymandering, kicking out as many hispanics as they can and incarcerating as many blacks as they can in time for 2020 will make for an insanely easy election. We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

He's in his 70s and in poor physical and mental shape. There is a good possibility he could die before 8 or even 4 years are up.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

I think the most powerful military/economy will survive just fine until the next talking head undoes Trump's fuckery.

that is the present.

If other countries start forming trade blocks and excluding us from such trade blocks, they start forming military alliances and taking certain actions towards undermining us (e.g. let's not use the dollar anymore), we won't stay the # 1 superpower for 10 years
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AlabamaLove posted...

ROD posted...

We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

lol nah

what's your reasoning?
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Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

a man who voted to take away their health care

this was an open seat election. neither candidate had ever been in office. gianforte had previously run for governor and lost

I really wanted to see what you had to say about the rest of the post too @Darkman124 ...
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They aren't going to. Humans are greedy. The USA LOVES to spend. Excluding yourself from the largest consumer ensures you'll be left in the dust economically. Lots of "the sky is falling" in this topic.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

Not to downplay the whole thing, but it is election season in Germany. Let's not judge our European allies to be so myopic. In 4-8 years, everyone will be like, "phew, now let's pick up where we left off."

In fact, the world stage is actually taking the right action here. When a toddler acts out, you don't indulge them. You don't reinforce the behavior by giving it the attention it wants.

Trump is merely being exposed to the same lesson Joffrey learned. A leader is not entitled to respect. A leader is not entitled to loyalty. A leader isn't appointed. It is not a blank check to act as you will. A leader acts in a manner befit a leader, and that is what makes them one. Without the matching behavior, you're just a pretender.

well said.
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Also, Oil! Its the most valuable natural resource on the planet and the US does a good job making sure everyone trades in their currency. I'm not saying it's ethical but it's true.
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America shouldn't have to take care of Europe's ( Angela Merkel's) own problems when it was self inflicted.

Merkel pulled an Urkel now accept it and deal with it.

Has nothing to do with Russia.

HydraSlayer82 posted...

They aren't going to. Humans are greedy. The USA LOVES to spend. Excluding yourself from the largest consumer ensures you'll be left in the dust economically. Lots of "the sky is falling" in this topic.

Pretty sure a lot of it is just trolling.

I hope it is, anyway.
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CroDalmatinac posted...

America shouldn't have to take care of Europe's ( Angela Merkel's) own problems when it was self inflicted.

Merkel pulled an Urkel now accept it and deal with it.

Has nothing to do with Russia.

Europe has gone downhill since merkel welcomed all those refugees
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J E S U S posted...

CroDalmatinac posted...

America shouldn't have to take care of Europe's ( Angela Merkel's) own problems when it was self inflicted.

Merkel pulled an Urkel now accept it and deal with it.

Has nothing to do with Russia.

Europe has gone downhill since merkel welcomed all those refugees

Exactly.

ROD posted...

Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

a man who voted to take away their health care

this was an open seat election. neither candidate had ever been in office. gianforte had previously run for governor and lost

I really wanted to see what you had to say about the rest of the post too @Darkman124 ...

well there's the fact that most votes were already mailed in and could not be taken back

there's the fact that it was montana, not ohio or PA

there's the fact that trump's approval ratings are consistently low, low enough that the upset of a sitting president not getting 4 more years is within the realm of possibility

there's the possibility of the facts forcing the GOP to impeach him, and the associated voter fury if they don't

and there's my assumption that some patriot will murder him before he finishes this term
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I can't imagine America falling for his snake oil again. Although now that I think about it...
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ROD posted...

@Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though

Why would he lose 2020? If anything he will have an easier victory this time. The Montana election truly opened my eyes. The GOP guy was a plutocrat out of touch with the people, a man who voted to take away their health care (in a state that relies heavily on it!) and he literally assaulted a reporter right before the election. Yet the GOP won anyway. NOTHING can make them lose.

We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

This. lol

Trump is getting 2020. GOP voters literally vote against their own interest and then cry when it effects them. Dem voters never actually vote, but will whine and complain that a GOP won and laws are being placed against their interest.

Trump will have an easy election in 2020. I would love if the future proves me wrong though.

Bat178 posted...

ROD posted...

@Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though

Why would he lose 2020? If anything he will have an easier victory this time. The Montana election truly opened my eyes. The GOP guy was a plutocrat out of touch with the people, a man who voted to take away their health care (in a state that relies heavily on it!) and he literally assaulted a reporter right before the election. The Dem candidate was a man of the people (a country singer!) . Yet the GOP won anyway. NOTHING can make them lose.

Voter suppression, blatant gerrymandering, kicking out as many hispanics as they can and incarcerating as many blacks as they can in time for 2020 will make for an insanely easy election. We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

He's in his 70s and in poor physical and mental shape. There is a good possibility he could die before 8 or even 4 years are up.

People were saying this about McCain in 2008. He's almost 81 now and still a senator.

For Trump to hold as many rallies as he did, there's no indication he is in poor physical or mental health for his age. I'm not saying he will definitely run again, and I wouldn't blame him if he chose not to, but the man has been working his entire life. He could have easily retired 20 years ago. Even 30 years ago.
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https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/silver-approve-1_gif_static.gif?strip=info&w=575&ssl=1

in just a few months. even his rabid supporters are starting to die down a little.
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asdf8562 posted...

ROD posted...

@Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

There's a certain mystique to being the sole superpower, to being POTUS and to being the world police. He destroyed such mystique and trustability.

it sucks to say

but they dont really have a choice

whoever is president and not donald trump in 2020 will be likely warmly embraced

their job will be super annoying though

Why would he lose 2020? If anything he will have an easier victory this time. The Montana election truly opened my eyes. The GOP guy was a plutocrat out of touch with the people, a man who voted to take away their health care (in a state that relies heavily on it!) and he literally assaulted a reporter right before the election. Yet the GOP won anyway. NOTHING can make them lose.

We're stuck for 8 years of this dude.

This. lol

Trump is getting 2020. GOP voters literally vote against their own interest and then cry when it effects them. Dem voters never actually vote, but will whine and complain that a GOP won and laws are being placed against their interest.

Trump will have an easy election in 2020. I would love if the future proves me wrong though.

damn right.

A particularly scary scenario is that after the GOP takes healthcare and any sort of remnant of a social safety net, once thee trumpanzees feel it they will get angry and the GOP will say "this is the fault of the hispanics, muslims and democrats" causing a backlash against these groups, torch and pitchfork style
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foreveraIone posted...

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/silver-approve-1_gif_static.gif?strip=info&w=575&ssl=1

in just a few months. even his rabid supporters are starting to die down a little.

Yeah, it sure looks like they're getting much more mellow... oh wait:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_stabbing_suspect_invo.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/racist-rants-viral-videos/index.html
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