Current Events > Does White privilege exist?

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White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in Western countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.

White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress be- comes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation.



Do you think it is a real thing? Or do you deny it?
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No.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

No.

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Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

Not in the way ideologues want it to. Everyone has some kind of privilege in one way or another.
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Of course it does. If you say no then you are naive and sheltered
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John_Galt posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

No.

M_Live posted...

Lol @ people voting no

It's currently winning
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How can any Sane person vote no.... fucking trolls
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UnfairRepresent posted...

M_Live posted...

Lol @ people voting no

It's currently winning

Doesn't change the fact it's LOL worthy
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muchdran posted...

John_Galt posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

No.

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Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

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MJ_Max posted...

Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

WTF?

Why would you hate yourself or be angry if you were born black?

What kind of racist are you?
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Welp. Ignored
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Yeah, as does privilege for p much every single aspect of a person

pinky0926 posted...

Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

MJ_Max posted...

Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

WTF?

Why would you hate yourself or be angry if you were born black?

What kind of racist are you?

If you are going to troll try not to make it so obvious.
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As a white person, no, not even in the slightest bit does it exist.

MJ_Max posted...

Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

Lol, don't think you want my honest answer.
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Yes. Whites are indisputably better off on average. But that's all it is--On average. Acknowledging that is just basic logic. If you accept that there is even a modicum of discrimination in society (Proving which, scientifically, is not very difficult--Look at work application studies where they test application call backs by name alone), be it both black on white and white on black, it then stands to reason that that race with the most social capitol (Whites, obviously, comprise the vast majority of wealthy and influential citizens in the West) would thus disadvantage blacks (And of course other minorities) to some degree, even if it is minor or nearly negligible.
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it exists but is overblown in tons of cases, it can depend on specific circumstances and where you are. criminal sentencing and the likes blacks tend to get ~20% longer terms, all else equal.
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Anyone voting yes is, objectively, a racist.
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meingott posted...

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Obviously. It's given the name white privilege because that has a specific significance in America and any of the west that is a white majority, historically white patriarchal society.

Again, white privilege isn't saying that in every country in every circumstance, white people have it better. It's a western-centric term that has context.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes. Whites are indisputably better off on average. But that's all it is--On average.

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.
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These thread are nice racist bait. My ignore list will be well fed.
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,meingott posted...

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in Western countries
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known2FAIL posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

MJ_Max posted...

Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

WTF?

Why would you hate yourself or be angry if you were born black?

What kind of racist are you?

If you are going to troll try not to make it so obvious.

I'm not trolling.

I have no issues with being black or Asian or white or Jewish. I don't even think race is that clearly defined.

I find the question of "How could you be chill with being black!?" and it's implication of wanting to be white absurd. And your dismissals further that point.
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meingott posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Anyone who's saying "no" I feel is not understanding what white privilege means. It doesn't mean all white people have it easy and all black people have it hard. It doesn't mean that you're not capable of having a tough life because of your whiteness, or that any of your hardships should be dismissed because you are white.

Best simple explanation I read on reddit once:

White privilege isn't some thing where every white person is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (although because of family history, land ownership there are greater chances of wealth being passed down for some non immigrant families)

I think it's more just, for the most part, not being negatively judged by your skin color when searching for employment, dealing with police. If a fictional character is white, it's just a character, if the character is black/asian/etc, you're making a statement.

It's not that it's easy to be white, it's hard to be human in general, it's just you don't have certain flavors of extra bullshit.

Whether it's looking like you're up to no good because you're black and wearing a hooded sweater, not having to prove your ethnicity if you don't like certain things (you're the whitest black dude I know, you don't even like hip hop), not really thinking racism is still a big deal because it doesn't often enter your personal space etc.

Edit: Additionally, growing up in America means that you also had to grow up mostly watching white men/women/culture in TV/Movies. So much so that I literally had to explain to several white kids that anime characters are usually asian. I guess I had the break dancing black power ranger with a gun, Barret and the burn victim demon Spawn, but there were slim pickings being a black nerd and trying to see yourself/find a costume.

That sounds more like "majority privilege" to me. Because the same is true of the majority populations in Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.

In those cultures there is definitely a priviledge to being Muslim or Japanese ect. If we were living in and discussing those cultures, we would then probably call it "Muslim Priviledge" or "Japanese Priviledge". No one who has immigrated to Japan would not try to convince you there is no priviledge for being Japanese in Japan (Although Japan is an odd situation--In some ways it is legitimately better to be an immigrant).
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes. Whites are indisputably better off on average. But that's all it is--On average.

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.

That's interesting. When people what to bring up negative stats about black people they use percentages to make it more dramatic since there are less of us. When you want to defend stuff like this with white people you use population size instead of percentages. That's cute.
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In those cultures there is definitely a priviledge to being Muslim or Japanese ect. If we were living in and discussing those cultures, we would then probably call it "Muslim Priviledge" or "Japanese Priviledge". No one who has immigrated to Japan would not try to convince you there is no priviledge for being Japanese in Japan (Although Japan is an odd situation--In some ways it is legitimately better to be an immigrant).

I don't think it's comparable because you can choose to be a Muslim, you can convert.

You can't convert to being born Chinese
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm not trolling.

I have no issues with being black or Asian or white or Jewish. I don't even think race is that clearly defined.

I find the question of "How could you be chill with being black!?" and it's implication of wanting to be white absurd. And your dismissals further that point.

Not because of how you feel about your own skin color, but because of the shit you'd have to deal with as far as *other* people treating you goes. But you already knew that and you're just playing dumb.

UnfairRepresent posted...

known2FAIL posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

MJ_Max posted...

Anyone who says no, so you'd be chill with having been born black? You'd be chill with living as a black man in America? Totally indifferent?

WTF?

Why would you hate yourself or be angry if you were born black?

What kind of racist are you?

If you are going to troll try not to make it so obvious.

I'm not trolling.

I have no issues with being black or Asian or white or Jewish. I don't even think race is that clearly defined.

I find the question of "How could you be chill with being black!?" and it's implication of wanting to be white absurd. And your dismissals further that point.

Lol. You can't sit there and say you don't have a problem being any race when it is impossible for you to experience it. Plus, he never said he hatef being black. Pointing out that society has problems with you for being a certain race doesn't mean that you hate your race.
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known2FAIL posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes. Whites are indisputably better off on average. But that's all it is--On average.

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.

That's interesting. When people what to bring up negative stats about black people they use percentages to make it more dramatic since there are less of us. When you want to defend stuff like this with white people you use population size instead of percentages. That's cute.

Welcome to the internet. You say whatever helps your cause. Cops hate black people even though more white people are killed by cops, but there's more white people so that means cops definitely hate black people more.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes. Whites are indisputably better off on average. But that's all it is--On average.

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.

I think you have a substantial and critical misunderstanding of ratios and averages such that nothing I could type in a post could explain why your statement is wrong.

Maybe this anecdote can get the gears turning for you, though. In Apartheid South Africa, whites composed a distinct minority of the population but held a vast majority of wealthy and influential positions in the country. How can you reconcile that with your statement?
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.

The more people there are of a given race, the better off a given race is? What?
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known2FAIL posted...

Lol. You can't sit there and say you don't have a problem being any race when it is impossible for you to experience it.

Yes I can.

known2FAIL posted...

Plus, he never said he hatef being black.

It was heavily implied and you know it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Lol. You can't sit there and say you don't have a problem being any race when it is impossible for you to experience it.

Yes I can.

known2FAIL posted...

Plus, he never said he hatef being black.

It was heavily implied and you know it.

First off. No you can't. The fact that you think you can proves how sheltered and naive you are. Second, it was not heavily implied. Many black people would prefer to be black even though we know the disadvantage we have. You know nothing so shut the hell up with that stupidity.
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One of the biggest white privileges is being blind to the fact that you have white privilege. You don't see the injustices being committed against other races because you aren't them, so as long as you yourself aren't an active racists, you get to live inside a tiny bubble where you get to believe no atrocities are being committed simply because you have not personally seen any happen first hand.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Aren't there more white people than black people? So of course it's gonna look like white people are better off, on average.

Buddy do you even math
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@UnfairRepresent - I like the Louis C.K. skit on this:

"It's not that white people are better. It's just that being white is clearly better, who could even argue?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmzT4OV-w0
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Yes, it does. White people rule the world and are obviously going to look out for themselves. Any ruling race would do the same.
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FroMan posted...

One of the biggest white privileges is being blind to the fact that you have white privilege.

How convenient.
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19 People of color here.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

In Apartheid South Africa, whites composed a distinct minority of the population but held a vast majority of wealthy and influential positions in the country. How can you reconcile that with your statement?

I don't care about south africa. That's how.
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always thought this was common knowledge, but i think i just under estimated the amount of stupid out there...

UnfairRepresent posted...

FroMan posted...

One of the biggest white privileges is being blind to the fact that you have white privilege.

How convenient.

Not really. It makes it a really hard problem to solve when no wants to admit it exists.
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known2FAIL posted...

First off. No you can't.

Just did.

Your mind is more important than the color of your skin or shape of your face buddy.

You will learn that one day I hope when you mature a little.

Second, it was not heavily implied.

Yes it was.

Many black people would prefer to be black even though we know the disadvantage we have.

What a racist attitude.
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It used to exist back when black people and other minorities used to experience racism. But not anymore.
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FroMan posted...

Not really. It makes it a really hard problem to solve when no wants to admit it exists.

This sounds an awful lot like "Atheists really are Christian/Muslim/Jews, they just lie to themselves."

Smells like religious "I want this to be true" unrepresented statement of feelings as opposed to an actual argument.
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