Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Topic 6: Dante Solos Edition

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Alright well I don't see a reason to continue to dawdle on this.

I claim FFD, Town Watcher. Unfortunately FFD doesn't like to get too invested in the game and keep himself at a distance, so if I watch in any given night I can't watch the next two nights. I assume I'll probably be dead before I get to do it again so no point in not claiming, particularly because I don't really think I can spin an argument for who I caught last night while still remaining credible without a claim.

Watched Corrik last night. Big reason I was so against flavor claiming for Corrik was because I knew since Kanz was scum he would likely guess I was Watcher since that's actually a pretty good role fit for FFD, and Corrik was the obvious mafia kill last night

##Vote: Johnbobb

One person visited Corrik, and it was a person that made me look quite the fool. I think Death probably has to be town,as all 3 lynches being scum seems wrong, and I think Death probably would've been sent to make the kill over Johnbobb in either case, right? I dunno. What are the thoughts on that. MZero in particular who was as suspicious of Death as I was.
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Sorry for doubting you, Lopen.

And myself yesterday I guess. Turns out Johnbobb isn't an idiot after all.
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Night one action?
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Nevermind just read it.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Oddity is someone I've seen multiple town-tells from. And I'm much better at detecting Town than I am scum. Granted, one of those Town-tells he felt the need to point out himself -.- But I've done that as Town before too so

Have you played with Oddity before? Mind sharing those tells?

huh, I wish I wrote more things down... I'll try to look in the archive since I can only remember two right now, and one was the one he pointed out himself. The other one though, some people saw it as a scumtell, which I do not agree with. That was when he told Corrik that he was going to live another night. To me it was clearly trying to trick scum into thinking Corrik had protection. I don't see a good reason it could be a scum gambit. You'd just get blamed when Corrik dies the next day and you're clearly not protection. So he couldn't try claiming a role like that
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I really wasn't expecting scum-scum with those votals. Very interesting. Agree on Death obviously.

Miz is...not a good scum player. He's so enthusiastic about lynching Death for that flavour thing like a puppy wuth a bone it kind of makes me think he's town, but it's a weak read.

Scare is miller but generally not doing anything. Not great.

I definitely want jaded to claim now. Newbie least likely to vote a teammate over town.

##vote: jaded
##vote2: jaded
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I still have my doubts on you either way. Kanzaris claiming Alany when you'd already vote2 claimed Alany seems too big a blunder for Kanz given how intimate he'd be with the flavor behind his own blunder unless he had some masterplan in place. And I really do think you should've went HARD on Kanzaris unless you were dead set on Johnbobb being scum, which you clearly weren't. Also Johnbobb had shown suspicions of Ulti-- I literally reread all his posts to confirm I'm not crazy.

Basically your in game actions just don't really add up to me.

I'm not saying this automatically makes you scum, but hopefully town will not just give you an auto pass due to your role being INCONCEIVABLE!! for scum. I think the weirdnesses are adding up a bit much here, particularly when you consider against your fairly distant approach to the game which got you suspicion to begin with.
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When I'm home from work I'll have to reread the end of day. Johnbobb got no sold into the fucking ground immediately so I'm not sure how much credit to give people there, they could be pulling a Kanz there.
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Lmao my man Lopen!

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##vote: Lopen
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And interesting, Lopen . I'm inclined to believe that Johnbob aint in any way Town now. I had also just realized that BP doesn't even make much sense if Eaed is legit because that's two nightkill traps. I'd vote for Johnbob but I have unfinished business with Jaded....
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##vote: Johnbob

<_< I should really get out of bed and get some coffee.
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Lopen posted...

I still have my doubts on you either way. Kanzaris claiming Alany when you'd already vote2 claimed Alany seems too big a blunder for Kanz given how intimate he'd be with the flavor behind his own blunder unless he had some masterplan in place. And I really do think you should've went HARD on Kanzaris unless you were dead set on Johnbobb being scum, which you clearly weren't. Also Johnbobb had shown suspicions of Ulti-- I literally reread all his posts to confirm I'm not crazy.

Basically your in game actions just don't really add up to me.

I'm not saying this automatically makes you scum, but hopefully town will not just give you an auto pass due to your role being INCONCEIVABLE!! for scum. I think the weirdnesses are adding up a bit much here, particularly when you consider against your fairly distant approach to the game which got you suspicion to begin with.

I was hard on Kanz. I immediately called him scum when he claimed, then I went exploring for claims out of boredom. And JB's claim was atrocious.

Then I was dead set on JB until I switched back to Kanz. I argued for him a lot, because it didn't make sense not to go harder after Ulti. I had a moment of weakness with the degree of whining he has doing. But it didn't really matter looks like.
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Speaking of boredom we should really threaten some lynches besides JB. Like Jaded.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I think you're on to something, yes. The jump to Kanz should be seen as a town tell for him primarily, but it's a good theory that he did it just to look better and didn't expect a bunch of people to jump over. Because who could have predicted that?

As for this

Expecting Kanzaris to have a chance to work is not that strange. I mean at that point I'd seen the writing on the wall for Johnbobb. It felt like death was just going to get as many votes as needed to get bailed out.

Meanwhile, MANY people were murmuring about Kanzaris. Of note, the double voter, who I still thought was obvtown at that point as I hadn't digested how dumb Kanz's fakeclaim was or even confirmed it was a fakeclaim, nor seen this gambit against me which makes no sense, had a natural reason to suspect Kanzaris. Frankly it was the only hope for Johnbobb to not get lynched at that point.
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Lopen posted...

I still have my doubts on you either way. Kanzaris claiming Alany when you'd already vote2 claimed Alany seems too big a blunder for Kanz given how intimate he'd be with the flavor behind his own blunder unless he had some masterplan in place. And I really do think you should've went HARD on Kanzaris unless you were dead set on Johnbobb being scum, which you clearly weren't. Also Johnbobb had shown suspicions of Ulti-- I literally reread all his posts to confirm I'm not crazy.

Basically your in game actions just don't really add up to me.

I'm not saying this automatically makes you scum, but hopefully town will not just give you an auto pass due to your role being INCONCEIVABLE!! for scum. I think the weirdnesses are adding up a bit much here, particularly when you consider against your fairly distant approach to the game which got you suspicion to begin with.

I feel like we'll know the truth on Leo soon. Can't see Scum keeping him alive much longer if he's Town.
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You called him scum, but I never felt like you pushed him all that hard. Like you should've been the Corrik of yesterday. Especially as you started to theorize that "I think Johnbobb is just dumb town and Lopen is so set he's town to make himself look better." It just doesn't line up-- if you have any doubts whatsoever bobb isn't autoscum, you vote Kanzaris. That's just the right play for a town player who 100% knew Kanz was lying there.
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I mean, fair, I'm not exactly giving this game my all. Just seems like a weird line in the sand to draw that I lynched one scum over another scum.

Three lynches, three people who basically claimed scum immediately. Two people today highly likely to be town because of howbthey claimed. How can y'all not want more claims?
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We're about to have another scum when Jaded claims
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Gosh, I'm so bad at keeping secrets -.-;
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My top scumspects after last night, other than Johnbobb who I cheated to get.

IGCD - as I said in my summary he was kinda moving around randomly. Knowing it was at least 2 scum at risk and his vote for Death, who is likely town, had flimsy reasoning of "will generate the most information," it feels like he's probably scum.

Jaded_Eye - I kinda see the logic behind this. I feel like not even having addressed the Johnbobb claim that everyone hated, saying he was kinda on the fence, but ultimately voting Death, seems suspicious, but I also feel like it can easily be explained by the guy not reading the game closely

and you... (Leo3L, for reasons stated)
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Oh also keep in mind IGCD had rested on Death the longest, and hadn't jumped off him till Kanzaris till pretty late.
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Yeah if Johnbob is scum then take back everything I said about the jump to Kanz making people look good. With this information, any of them could be jumping to Kanz in order to look good, since scum was already set to get lynched.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Yeah if Johnbob is scum then take back everything I said about the jump to Kanz making people look good. With this information, any of them could be jumping to Kanz in order to look good on purpose, since scum was already set to get lynched.

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Leo VS Lopen is probably Town-Town though, if these roles are to be believed.
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Votals (#323)
[3] Jaded - Ben, Leo, Leo2
[2] Johnbobb - Lopen, Tony
[1] Lopen - (Leo), (Leo2), Oddity, (Tony)
[1] Death - MZero
[0] Oddity - (Tony)
[0] eaed - (Tony)

7 to lynch. day ends in around 35 and a half hours
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IGCD claiming would be pretty great too
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Leo3L posted...

IGCD claiming would be pretty great too

I'll claim tomorrow when we mass.
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benjamin3740 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Yeah if Johnbob is scum then take back everything I said about the jump to Kanz making people look good. With this information, any of them could be jumping to Kanz in order to look good on purpose, since scum was already set to get lynched.

How many people on both/either of those lynches do you think can be scum? And who do you think they are?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leo3L posted...

IGCD claiming would be pretty great too

I'll claim tomorrow when we mass.

I'll same time claim with you.

Let's rip this bandaid off.
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Ben what do you have on Jaded or are you waiting to have a reveal?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Yeah if Johnbob is scum then take back everything I said about the jump to Kanz making people look good. With this information, any of them could be jumping to Kanz in order to look good on purpose, since scum was already set to get lynched.

How many people on both/either of those lynches do you think can be scum? And who do you think they are?

Anyone on Kanz between Lopen and Johnbob. Not calling any scum (except Johnbob), I'm just taking back my Town credit I gave you all (which I specified at the start of day only counted if Johnbob is town.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Ben what do you have on Jaded or are you waiting to have a reveal?

I keep on waiting. Waiteeen. Waitin' on the world to change
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##Vote: Johnbobb

easy choice

not fond of Leo forcing claims out of people btw, I remember it being a general trait of his, but I just dont like it
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benjamin3740 posted...

Yeah if Johnbob is scum then take back everything I said about the jump to Kanz making people look good. With this information, any of them could be jumping to Kanz in order to look good, since scum was already set to get lynched.

well Lopen looks good for jumping off of me, but hey selfclaimed watcher

feeling less good about Mzero now, Oddity too
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MZero had latched onto you all day. I think regardless of how you feel about his argument he shouldn't come off as worse to you.

I personally think MZero's playstyle would be extremely difficult for scum to replicate convincingly so I have him pretty firmly as town in my book. As for Oddity, I've lightly suspected him all game but there have always been more suspicious folk. This is mostly coloring from the first two hours of the game at this point though, so I haven't really zoned in on anything he's done in say, day 2-- it'll be something I do later

Also I think staying on Death had some use until late as if everyone had stayed firm on Death we could've had a tie-- and there was no guarantee I wouldn't jump back to Death. IGCD in particular looks particularly scummy for that reason. Waited until exactly the final moment to jump off.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leo3L posted...

IGCD claiming would be pretty great too

I'll claim tomorrow when we mass.

I'll same time claim with you.

Let's rip this bandaid off.

Sure but I'd prefer to wait until I'm done work.
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htaeD posted...

##Vote: Johnbobb

easy choice

not fond of Leo forcing claims out of people btw, I remember it being a general trait of his, but I just dont like it

Can you argue with the results?

I bet someone claims commuter this time!
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Lopen posted...

One person visited Corrik, and it was a person that made me look quite the fool. I think Death probably has to be town,as all 3 lynches being scum seems wrong, and I think Death probably would've been sent to make the kill over Johnbobb in either case, right? I dunno. What are the thoughts on that. MZero in particular who was as suspicious of Death as I was.

I do think it's pretty unlikely that all three are scum... but if I let Death get away with that slip and he ends up being scum I'm going to kick myself in the balls. I'm pretty torn tbh
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Lopen posted...

MZero had latched onto you all day. I think regardless of how you feel about his argument he shouldn't come off as worse to you.

I personally think MZero's playstyle would be extremely difficult for scum to replicate convincingly so I have him pretty firmly as town in my book. As for Oddity, I've lightly suspected him all game but there have always been more suspicious folk. This is mostly coloring from the first two hours of the game at this point though, so I haven't really zoned in on anything he's done in say, day 2-- it'll be something I do later

Also I think staying on Death had some use until late as if everyone had stayed firm on Death we could've had a tie-- and there was no guarantee I wouldn't jump back to Death. IGCD in particular looks particularly scummy for that reason. Waited until exactly the final moment to jump off.

I just feel odd about anyone wanting to divert from Kanz to me
though I cant blame him entirely I guess
but it does give us a lot of info
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I also called Kanz and Johnbobb being buddies Day 1 because Kanz voted him out of all the inactives, and then removed his vote after Johnbobb did basically nothing and saying he felt better about him. Felt like a fake vote that he wanted to show up on votals but not actually pursue it
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and Leo does have a point
he was so excited, thinking he found scum
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htaeD posted...

Lopen posted...

MZero had latched onto you all day. I think regardless of how you feel about his argument he shouldn't come off as worse to you.

I personally think MZero's playstyle would be extremely difficult for scum to replicate convincingly so I have him pretty firmly as town in my book. As for Oddity, I've lightly suspected him all game but there have always been more suspicious folk. This is mostly coloring from the first two hours of the game at this point though, so I haven't really zoned in on anything he's done in say, day 2-- it'll be something I do later

Also I think staying on Death had some use until late as if everyone had stayed firm on Death we could've had a tie-- and there was no guarantee I wouldn't jump back to Death. IGCD in particular looks particularly scummy for that reason. Waited until exactly the final moment to jump off.

I just feel odd about anyone wanting to divert from Kanz to me
though I cant blame him entirely I guess
but it does give us a lot of info

I mean I wanted to lynch Kanz Day 1 until Ulti claimed Survivor. and I wanted to lynch him yesterday too but day was stalling and I got bored so I went sniffing around and found what I thought was a damning slip. But I was always OK with a Kanz lynch
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Eaed, what was his reaction to the BP claim again?
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MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

Lopen posted...

MZero had latched onto you all day. I think regardless of how you feel about his argument he shouldn't come off as worse to you.

I personally think MZero's playstyle would be extremely difficult for scum to replicate convincingly so I have him pretty firmly as town in my book. As for Oddity, I've lightly suspected him all game but there have always been more suspicious folk. This is mostly coloring from the first two hours of the game at this point though, so I haven't really zoned in on anything he's done in say, day 2-- it'll be something I do later

Also I think staying on Death had some use until late as if everyone had stayed firm on Death we could've had a tie-- and there was no guarantee I wouldn't jump back to Death. IGCD in particular looks particularly scummy for that reason. Waited until exactly the final moment to jump off.

I just feel odd about anyone wanting to divert from Kanz to me
though I cant blame him entirely I guess
but it does give us a lot of info

I mean I wanted to lynch Kanz Day 1 until Ulti claimed Survivor. and I wanted to lynch him yesterday too but day was stalling and I got bored so I went sniffing around and found what I thought was a damning slip. But I was always OK with a Kanz lynch

fair is fair
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MZero11 posted...

I do think it's pretty unlikely that all three are scum... but if I let Death get away with that slip and he ends up being scum I'm going to kick myself in the balls. I'm pretty torn tbh

I felt the same way MZero. I seriously went back and reread my result PM once (which is stupid cause it was you know, one line)-- Johnbobb being scum just didn't line up with how I felt the game was.

Ultimately the biggest reason I think Death is town, even above some SURELY NOT ALL 3 COULD BE SCUM, is that scum usually has the most suspicious one send in the kill, and I'd like to think that with how yesterday went that Death would be sent over Johnbobb, since if you just look at votes sacrificing a scum for scum wouldn't make much sense-- Johnbobb in some ways would be "cleared." There are ways to make it make sense if you stretch, but Death would easily be looking worse I think.

And now I'm sad that eddv is not a role in this game, which frankly played hard into me buying the claim. Eddv survived so long in mercs, that bulletproof was so fitting, and I felt Eddv had to be in the game! What kinda friend are you gravy I mean really.
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Hm, this whole situation is bizarre but I don't want to say too much until Johnbobb shows up. Anyway, I think Death was safer because B8 Towns have a short memory, and Johnbobb has actually been playing bad and inactive whereas Death has been OK outside of the one thing he did Day 1. So I think it would be easier for Death to bounce back
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I'm so bored because I can't play persona at work and we have a guilty scannnn

I'm with Menu, somebody stream it for my lunch hour
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Leo3L posted...

I'm so bored because I can't play persona at work and we have a guilty scannnn

I'm with Menu, somebody stream it for my lunch hour

Also at work and can't play Persona ):
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I could play it, but I dont wanna go to Velvet Room Jail (also I am not even that far yet)

also sidenote, JB's role must not be very important to scum as well if he sent in the kill

ah well
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Screw this real job, I have multiple fake jobs that could be boosting my social STATS!
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