Board 8 > Inviso and AdmiralZephyr Rank Survivor Winners!

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Danni being underrated is her own fault because she refused to give CBS anything strategic in confessional.
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kim should be #1.

this isn't exactly a bold opinion, but nobody in the modern game has dominated the way she did. people chalk it up to the competition, but she MADE her competition look terrible in comparison.

and if she came back, i think she'd do it again.
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3. Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World)

Kim completes the quadrafecta(?) of winners that I nailed down in episode 1, though to be honest I'm pretty sure everyone did. Right out of the gate Kim was clearly the smartest, most analytical, and most socially-aware player on that season, not to mention highly athletic and stunningly beautiful. She had literally all the pieces right there to make a surefire Survivor winner. And the took all of this an fucking ran with it. The control she had over every single player in that season was really something we'd never seen before. Whereas someone like Russell has to resort to "you're either with me or you're against me"-type threats to get others to do his bidding, people were naturally drawn to Kim and bowed to her with very little persuasion. Probably the biggest flaw in her game was that her strategy did rely a bit on the stupidity of other people. The one person to call her out on this was Troy, and if Jay hadn't been an idiot in his boot episode, I think Kim had a very good chance at going home that round.
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INVISO'S LIST

??? TIER:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

??? TIER:

6. ???
7. ???
8. Kim Spradlin (One World)
9. Richard Hatch (Borneo)
10. Tom Westman (Palau)

ONE FLAW FROM PERFECTION TIER:

11. Todd Herzog (China)
12. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands)
13. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Tocantins)
14. Tina Wesson (Australia)
15. Tony Vlachos (Cagayan)
16. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
17. John Cochran (Caramoan)

ONE IN A MILLION TIER:

18. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
19. Aras Baskauskas (Exile Island)
20. Brian Heidik (Thailand)
21. Tyson Apostol (Blood vs. Water)
22. Rob Mariano (Redemption Island)
23. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia)
24. Adam Klein (Millennials vs. Gen X)

"BITTER JURY" TIER:

25. Natalie White (Samoa)
26. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains)
27. Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
28. Amber Brkich (All-Stars)

SEMI CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

29. Jenna Morasca (Amazon)
30. Michele Fitzgerald (Kaoh Rong)

PURE CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

31. Bob Crowley (Gabon)
32. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua)
33. Mike Holloway (Worlds Apart)
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darkx's tier list

??? Tier
1. Richard Hatch (Survivor: Borneo)
2. ???
3. Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World)
4. Todd Herzog (Survivor: China)
5. ???

??? Tier
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback)

??? Tier
10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan)
11. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Pearl Islands)
12. ???
13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand)
14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands)

Asterisk Tier
15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island)
16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia)

??? Tier
17. Tom Westman (Survivor: Palau)
18. ???
19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins)
20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan)
21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water)
22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains)
23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island)

UTR Social Game Tier
24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars)
25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa)
26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas)
27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific)

Still Not Entirely Sure How They Won Tier
28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X)
29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong)
30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart)
31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua)
32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon)
33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)
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Average Rankings Thus Far:

Richard Hatch - 5
Kim Spradlin - 5.5
Todd Herzog - 7.5
Sandra Diaz-Twine (PI) - 11.5
Tina Wesson - 11.5
Tony Vlachos - 12.5
Tom Westman - 13.5
Yul Kwon - 15
James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. - 16
Brian Heidik - 16.5
John Cochran - 18.5
Rob Mariano - 18.5
Parvati Shallow - 19.5
Tyson Apostol - 21
Aras Baskauskas - 21
Vecepia Towery - 22
Sandra Diaz-Twine (HvV) - 24
Natalie White - 25
Amber Brkich - 26
Adam Klein - 26
Sophie Clarke - 27
Michele Fitzgerald - 29.5
Jenna Morasca - 30.5
Judson "Fabio" Birza - 31.5
Mike Holloway - 31.5
Bob Crowley - 32
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Remaining:
Ethan Zohn (Survivor: Africa)
Chris Daugherty (Survivor: Vanuatu)
Danni Boatwright (Survivor: Guatemala)
Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji)
Denise Stapley (Survivor: Philippines)
Natalie Anderson (Survivor: San Juan Del Sur)
Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia)
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there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16
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no I definitely mean bb13. it was cancelled immediately after Evel dick was medevac'd.

which one was 16 again? was that the one where Victoria was a comp beast for winning 1 veto competition?
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Naye745 posted...

kim should be #1.

this isn't exactly a bold opinion, but nobody in the modern game has dominated the way she did. people chalk it up to the competition, but she MADE her competition look terrible in comparison.

and if she came back, i think she'd do it again.

I don't put as much value on "dominating a season" as a lot of people do. I mean, it's top ten worthy, but there's a whole tier that just impresses me more.
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Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.
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Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.

It's fun. There's a house divide that has both sides winning so that the end-game isn't just one dominant alliance. The worst veterans all get their comeuppance and go out so they can't win. And it's got one of the better final twos that I've seen (in fact, it's the only 100% good final 2 of the nine seasons I listed.)
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Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.

It's fun. There's a house divide that has both sides winning so that the end-game isn't just one dominant alliance. The worst veterans all get their comeuppance and go out so they can't win. And it's got one of the better final twos that I've seen (in fact, it's the only 100% good final 2 of the nine seasons I listed.)

The winner is literally Will from Worlds Apart. They are the same person.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.

It's fun. There's a house divide that has both sides winning so that the end-game isn't just one dominant alliance. The worst veterans all get their comeuppance and go out so they can't win. And it's got one of the better final twos that I've seen (in fact, it's the only 100% good final 2 of the nine seasons I listed.)

The winner is literally Will from Worlds Apart. They are the same person.

Uh...? We're talking Rachel Reilly here.
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Inviso posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.

It's fun. There's a house divide that has both sides winning so that the end-game isn't just one dominant alliance. The worst veterans all get their comeuppance and go out so they can't win. And it's got one of the better final twos that I've seen (in fact, it's the only 100% good final 2 of the nine seasons I listed.)

The winner is literally Will from Worlds Apart. They are the same person.

Uh...? We're talking Rachel Reilly here.

my point exactly
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Inviso posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

there's no such thing as survivor one world. it's the bb13 of survivor, in that it never took place and doesn't exist.

BB16 you mean. BB13 is an amazing season.

BB11 > BB17 > BB13 > BB10 >>>>>> BB15 >>>>>> BB12 > BB14 > BB18 > BB16

Yikes.

I mean, most of this ok, but 13 is not a good season. I could rant for a while about it. And I'd win handily. 13 is bad.

I know your argument why it's "good", too. But it's not. Caelus gets it.

It's fun. There's a house divide that has both sides winning so that the end-game isn't just one dominant alliance. The worst veterans all get their comeuppance and go out so they can't win. And it's got one of the better final twos that I've seen (in fact, it's the only 100% good final 2 of the nine seasons I listed.)

The winner is literally Will from Worlds Apart. They are the same person.

Uh...? We're talking Rachel Reilly here.

my point exactly

Rachel Reilly. The second-most entertaining winner of the past nine seasons after Dan.
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Lol @ Kim not being #1.
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Final 6, @AdmiralZephyr

7. Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji)

I’m gonna start off this season with Earl’s ONE negative that keeps him from ranking at the top of this tier. The final three was still not a known quantity in Fiji, so as far as we know, Earl was playing for a final two in which I’m not one hundred percent sure Dreamz or Cassandra take him to the end. If I’m gonna give Yul crap for benefitting from the unexpected final three, I have to at least deduct SOME points from Earl for at least POTENTIALLY benefitting from the same unexpected twist.

All that being said, Earl played a masterful game of Survivor for someone who’d never seen the show, and had very little understanding of how the game worked going into the season. He played his cards close to the vest, maintained an air of leadership while not openly ruffling the feathers of the large number of explosive personalities in Fiji’s cast, and he managed to make it through the season with the closest thing to a blindside he experienced being his ally (who he needed out of the game if he wanted to win anyway) nearly getting voted out if not for a hidden immunity idol. Beyond that, Earl kept his tribe in line, played it cool, and downplayed his own leadership role to end up only losing his perfect game due to a throwaway vote from Rita.

There’s not much else to say. Earl just played a very solid game. It wasn’t flashy because it didn’t need to be. He gathered his alliance early on, switched tribes and gathered a new alliance, and he shifted his priorities accordingly. His side Pagonged the outsiders and then started cannibalizing each other, taking out the players that could be perceived as goats for the endgame, and finally he booted his closest ally who was also his biggest threat. It’s quite literally textbook Survivor, and I find it hard to argue that Earl did anything wrong besides MAYBE not planning properly for a final two. Other than that, he’s golden.
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Inviso posted...

Rachel Reilly. The most unpleasant, shitty-attitude-having winner of all time, made worse by an enabling douche.

I can't even listen to her. Her voice and everything she says infuriates me. To her credit though, her enabling douche is worse and probably would have been a worse winner.
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FWIW I loathe BBCAN3 more than BB13.

Except I did watch every live second of BB13 and I hate myself for it. Every week, even the final 3. It was all so horribly dull. Also horribly edited. And horribly one-sided. With some of the worst twists ever (duos, golden keys, bringing Brendon back lmao). And UTTER riggage (which is not a word I throw around loosely, let alone with caps). And a forced winner.

It's a by-product of the sleepy BB12. But it's also a huge part of why newer BB seasons are shittier than older ones. It's the tipping point, in my opinion. BB8 is the gateway, the feeler, BB9 is trash but nobody cares, BB10 was accidental, BB11 was a beta BB13, and BB12 is kind of an anomaly in the scheme of things. BB13? The true beginning of the shit-show we have now.

Oh, my poor dignity. :(
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I'll stop hijacking this topic to rant.

As far as Inviso's list goes, my original guess for his #1 is still in.
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Peridiam posted...

FWIW I loathe BBCAN3 more than BB13.

Except I did watch every live second of BB13 and I hate myself for it. Every week, even the final 3. It was all so horribly dull. Also horribly edited. And horribly one-sided. With some of the worst twists ever (duos, golden keys, bringing Brendon back lmao). And UTTER riggage (which is not a word I throw around loosely, let alone with caps). And a forced winner.

It's a by-product of the sleepy BB12. But it's also a huge part of why newer BB seasons are shittier than older ones. It's the tipping point, in my opinion. BB8 is the gateway, the feeler, BB9 is trash but nobody cares, BB10 was accidental, BB11 was a beta BB13, and BB12 is kind of an anomaly in the scheme of things. BB13? The true beginning of the shit-show we have now.

Oh, my poor dignity. :(

I liked BBCan3. Didn't care for the triple eviction but no other real quarrels.
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Peridiam posted...

I'll stop hijacking this topic to rant.

As far as Inviso's list goes, my original guess for his #1 is still in.

Not who I want to see at #1, but my #1 is still in so that's good.
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BB13 has some bad twists and riggage, but the fact that the newbies were able to overcome so much of that (with Daniele's help of course) to keep things from becoming an obnoxious fan favorite blowout (seriously, fuck you Jeff Schroeder, go Shelly!) is amazing to me, and I just loved the way things worked out in the season. Would I have preferred a Porsche win? You're damn right I would've; she was my favorite character that season. But Rachel winning was still fun and just having Rachel Reilly in the pantheon of winners makes up for the string of bullshit we've had since.
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I'm working late so I won't get to this until past 10 but I'll say that Earl is NOT my #18 that's still hanging around.
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Porsche was my fave too.
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Maybe that's why I never watch Big Brother.

BB13 was the only one I started watching (thanks to After Dark) and one of two seasons I watched any of.
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7. Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji)

I would like to start by saying that Earl beats anyone in this entire season in the finals except Yau-Man, period. With any jury configuration and anybody but Yau sitting next to him, Earl is a millionaire. Of course, a lot of that is because there was just so much Goddamn fodder in the cast due to being the first season to cast more recruits than applicants (in fact, only Gary was an applicant in this season), but Earl still played an amazing game. He had a solid alliance anywhere he went that was never going to vote him out because he was never some overbearing leader, but rather a strategic figurehead. He was very idol-savvy, not just with his own but with keeping an eye on where the others were and how to either flush them out or use them to his own advantage, and went to the end with the two biggest goats of the season just in case, though like I said he really did not need to until the one person he would have lost to made it to the final four. I would love to see Earl play again someday.
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What's often forgotten about Earl was that he would have played a perfect game if not for a single throwaway in a split vote.
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INVISO'S LIST

??? TIER:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

??? TIER:

6. ???
7. Earl Cole (Fiji)
8. Kim Spradlin (One World)
9. Richard Hatch (Borneo)
10. Tom Westman (Palau)

ONE FLAW FROM PERFECTION TIER:

11. Todd Herzog (China)
12. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands)
13. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Tocantins)
14. Tina Wesson (Australia)
15. Tony Vlachos (Cagayan)
16. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
17. John Cochran (Caramoan)

ONE IN A MILLION TIER:

18. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
19. Aras Baskauskas (Exile Island)
20. Brian Heidik (Thailand)
21. Tyson Apostol (Blood vs. Water)
22. Rob Mariano (Redemption Island)
23. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia)
24. Adam Klein (Millennials vs. Gen X)

"BITTER JURY" TIER:

25. Natalie White (Samoa)
26. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains)
27. Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
28. Amber Brkich (All-Stars)

SEMI CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

29. Jenna Morasca (Amazon)
30. Michele Fitzgerald (Kaoh Rong)

PURE CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

31. Bob Crowley (Gabon)
32. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua)
33. Mike Holloway (Worlds Apart)
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darkx's tier list

??? Tier
1. Richard Hatch (Survivor: Borneo)
2. ???
3. Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World)
4. Todd Herzog (Survivor: China)
5. ???

??? Tier
6. ???
7. Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji)
8. ???
9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback)

??? Tier
10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan)
11. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Pearl Islands)
12. ???
13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand)
14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands)

Asterisk Tier
15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island)
16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia)

??? Tier
17. Tom Westman (Survivor: Palau)
18. ???
19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins)
20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan)
21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water)
22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains)
23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island)

UTR Social Game Tier
24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars)
25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa)
26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas)
27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific)

Still Not Entirely Sure How They Won Tier
28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X)
29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong)
30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart)
31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua)
32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon)
33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)
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Let's wrap up my second-to-last tier, eh @AdmiralZephyr?

6. Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia)

Now we come to the final player in the “leader” tier of this ranking. Honestly, you KNOW Jeremy is a great player if I’m willing to forgo docking him points for winning a returnee season. That’s how skilled he came across in Cambodia, and I’m really glad that he’s like, the ONE shining light in an otherwise weak string of winners from Mike to Adam. And honestly, the ONLY reason he’s not even higher than this is because I STILL hold the slightest of biases against people that dominate from day one. To me, it’s just more impressive to see a winner that falls behind on occasion, yet can still overcome those setbacks to secure a victory.

First off, look at Jeremy on paper. He’s reasonably young. He’s fit. He’s an alpha male. He’s a father. And he’s a firefighter. Yet with ONE exception, he was not targeted ONCE during the entire season. In fact, up until the final six, his name wasn’t even MENTIONED as a potential target for elimination. That’s CRAZY for someone of his archetype, but it was all part of his own plan rather than the rest of the cast just fucking up around him. Not only did Jeremy play a marvelous social game that kept him in the good graces of the rest of the cast (including Abi-Maria, who was a fucking NIGHTMARE to manage by all accounts), but he enacted a perfect strategy for someone of his skill set.

As much as it can be boring for casual viewers from a strategic standpoint, Jeremy understood that, as a big, physical target, he needed to keep other big targets in the game. So his alliance included Joe, who was the season’s golden boy; Andrew, a fellow alpha male leader with a bit more of a mean streak; Stephen, the second-in-command chief strategist for RobHasAPodcast; Tasha, perhaps the strongest woman in the cast going into the season; and he added Spencer later on as a challenge threat and fan favorite. Jeremy kept himself insulated by these fellow threats all season long, as you’ll note that it was only after most of them went home and Tasha/Spencer destroyed their credibility that Jeremy finally had his name written down.

More than that though, Jeremy played HARD to ensure things worked in his favor. People CONSTANTLY came to him to talk strategy and aside from the Stephen blindside, not a single move was made without Jeremy’s permission. He knew Ciera was a schemer and Stephen was on the chopping block, so he put himself out there and burned an idol on Stephen. It didn’t hurt him since he had a back-up idol, but he gave him a visible move to show the jury he was playing to win. That back-up idol saved his ass and guaranteed his win at the final six, negating Kelley’s idol and giving him an easy waltz to the finals.

If you don’t count those negated votes, Jeremy became the third perfect game in Survivor history, and I just find his to be the most impressive, because he didn’t have any particular advantages working his way the way J.T. and Cochran did. I think he learned from his mistakes in San Juan Del Sur, and gave one of the strongest winning performances in Survivor history.
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I am interested to see your defense of Danni and (especially) Ethan in the top 5. Like I said, I haven't seen those seasons since the aired so I don't have as clear a recollection of things that others might have.

That said, it's clear to me that inviso values different qualities in winners, now that we have reached the top of the list. My top 3 is Kim, Earl, and Jeremy without a doubt, and its because of their level of control for the whole game.
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What advantages did JT have that Jeremy did not?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

What advantages did JT have that Jeremy did not?

Stephen doing 100% of the strategic heavy lifting. A reverse Pagonging benefiting someone like J.T. due to how long it is before a threat like J.T. becomes a reasonable boot target from within his own alliance.
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Naye745 posted...

I am interested to see your defense of Danni and (especially) Ethan in the top 5. Like I said, I haven't seen those seasons since the aired so I don't have as clear a recollection of things that others might have.

That said, it's clear to me that inviso values different qualities in winners, now that we have reached the top of the list. My top 3 is Kim, Earl, and Jeremy without a doubt, and its because of their level of control for the whole game.

See, my thing is that I can respect leader winners. Like, the Jeremy through Tom tier is still a high-caliber tier of winners. But it's not AS impressive to me to watch someone dominate when they've been playing from ahead all season long. Because at a certain point, while they may be masterful in their gameplay, I have to wonder why exactly the rest of their cast fucked up hard enough to let an endgame situation happen where an obvious leader could dominate so thoroughly. I find it MORE impressive to see the players that can play from ahead AND can play from behind, because they've proven themselves more adaptable to different situations in a way we didn't see from the dominant leader tier.
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If I were to predict the rest:
5. Ethan
4. Denise
3. Natalie
2. Chris
1. Danni
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8. Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia)

Like Kim, Jeremy is one of the few Survivor winners who is a true "triple threat," playing an excellent physical, strategic, AND social game. Though I feel like he was slightly less impressive than her in all three of those categories, amplified by the fact that Kim won on her first game and Jeremy won on his second. Nonetheless he was clearly a player who learned from his past mistakes and took advantage of every opportunity to advance himself in his season and fall just short of the top tier of winners.
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INVISO'S LIST

??? TIER:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

DOMINANT LEADER TIER:

6. Jeremy Collins (Cambodia)
7. Earl Cole (Fiji)
8. Kim Spradlin (One World)
9. Richard Hatch (Borneo)
10. Tom Westman (Palau)

ONE FLAW FROM PERFECTION TIER:

11. Todd Herzog (China)
12. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands)
13. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Tocantins)
14. Tina Wesson (Australia)
15. Tony Vlachos (Cagayan)
16. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
17. John Cochran (Caramoan)

ONE IN A MILLION TIER:

18. Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
19. Aras Baskauskas (Exile Island)
20. Brian Heidik (Thailand)
21. Tyson Apostol (Blood vs. Water)
22. Rob Mariano (Redemption Island)
23. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia)
24. Adam Klein (Millennials vs. Gen X)

"BITTER JURY" TIER:

25. Natalie White (Samoa)
26. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains)
27. Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
28. Amber Brkich (All-Stars)

SEMI CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

29. Jenna Morasca (Amazon)
30. Michele Fitzgerald (Kaoh Rong)

PURE CHALLENGE WHORE TIER:

31. Bob Crowley (Gabon)
32. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua)
33. Mike Holloway (Worlds Apart)
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darkx's tier list

??? Tier
1. Richard Hatch (Survivor: Borneo)
2. ???
3. Kim Spradlin (Survivor: One World)
4. Todd Herzog (Survivor: China)
5. ???

??? Tier
6. ???
7. Earl Cole (Survivor: Fiji)
8. Jeremy Collins (Survivor: Cambodia)
9. Tina Wesson (Survivor: The Australian Outback)

??? Tier
10. Tony Vlachos (Survivor: Cagayan)
11. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Pearl Islands)
12. ???
13. Brian Heidik (Survivor: Thailand)
14. Yul Kwon (Survivor: Cook Islands)

Asterisk Tier
15. Rob Mariano (Survivor: Redemption Island)
16. Parvati Shallow (Survivor: Micronesia)

??? Tier
17. Tom Westman (Survivor: Palau)
18. ???
19. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Survivor: Tocantins)
20. John Cochran (Survivor: Caramoan)
21. Tyson Apostol (Survivor: Blood vs. Water)
22. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains)
23. Aras Baskauskas (Survivor: Exile Island)

UTR Social Game Tier
24. Amber Brkich (Survivor: All-Stars)
25. Natalie White (Survivor: Samoa)
26. Vecepia Towery (Survivor: Marquesas)
27. Sophie Clarke (Survivor: South Pacific)

Still Not Entirely Sure How They Won Tier
28. Adam Klein (Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X)
29. Michele Fitzgerald (Survivor: Kaoh Rong)
30. Mike Holloway (Survivor: Worlds Apart)
31. Judson "Fabio" Birza (Survivor: Nicaragua)
32. Jenna Morasca (Survivor: Amazon)
33. Bob Crowley (Survivor: Gabon)
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Average Rankings Thus Far:

Richard Hatch - 5
Kim Spradlin - 5.5
Earl Cole - 7
Jeremy Collins - 7
Todd Herzog - 7.5
Sandra Diaz-Twine (PI) - 11.5
Tina Wesson - 11.5
Tony Vlachos - 12.5
Tom Westman - 13.5
Yul Kwon - 15
James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. - 16
Brian Heidik - 16.5
John Cochran - 18.5
Rob Mariano - 18.5
Parvati Shallow - 19.5
Tyson Apostol - 21
Aras Baskauskas - 21
Vecepia Towery - 22
Sandra Diaz-Twine (HvV) - 24
Natalie White - 25
Amber Brkich - 26
Adam Klein - 26
Sophie Clarke - 27
Michele Fitzgerald - 29.5
Jenna Morasca - 30.5
Judson "Fabio" Birza - 31.5
Mike Holloway - 31.5
Bob Crowley - 32
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The Final Five:

Ethan Zohn (Survivor: Africa)
Chris Daugherty (Survivor: Vanuatu)
Danni Boatwright (Survivor: Guatemala)
Denise Stapley (Survivor: Philippines)
Natalie Anderson (Survivor: San Juan Del Sur)
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Three of those I fulled expected to be in your top five, Vis. One I was on the fence about, knew they would be in your top 10, wasn't sure about top 5. The last one has taken me very much by surprise.
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AdmiralZephyr posted...

Three of those I fulled expected to be in your top five, Vis. One I was on the fence about, knew they would be in your top 10, wasn't sure about top 5. The last one has taken me very much by surprise.

I'm assuming the one you're surprised by is the same person who surprised me as well when I went to rank these winners in the first place.
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Ethan - meh

Chris - "obviously"

Danni - Inviso >_>

Denise - deserving of top 5 and still underrated

Natalie - ultimate dark horse
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Inviso posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

What advantages did JT have that Jeremy did not?

Stephen doing 100% of the strategic heavy lifting. A reverse Pagonging benefiting someone like J.T. due to how long it is before a threat like J.T. becomes a reasonable boot target from within his own alliance.

This isn't true but I don't have the energy to argue with you again.
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Inviso posted...

AdmiralZephyr posted...

Three of those I fulled expected to be in your top five, Vis. One I was on the fence about, knew they would be in your top 10, wasn't sure about top 5. The last one has taken me very much by surprise.

I'm assuming the one you're surprised by is the same person who surprised me as well when I went to rank these winners in the first place.

Note that these are not necessarily spoilers for my own rankings.

Fully expected - Danni, Natalie, Chris
Thought so but wasn't sure - Denise
Shocked - Ethan
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Ethan wut

i didn't even remember that he was a winner until i read who was left

This is definitely an Inviso list.
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