Board 8 > European Union Court rules you can't be blocked from re-selling digital software

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red sox 777
07/04/12 8:53:00 AM
#51:


It should all be reflected in the price. As in, without the EULA, prices would be higher.

I'm not sure what basic rights are being removed that you're talking about though. Those things you listed are not basic rights in the traditional sense of the term........

There are lots of kinds of property with conditions on them. Like any house with a covenant on it, for example. As for social media passwords, it seems horrible to me, but again there's no basic right here. The employer is saying, work for me and let me see your Facebook page and I'll pay you. Don't they have a right to ask to pay you to see your FB page, and don't you have the right to accept their offer? For tax payment shifting, it seems there's no difference than if the nominal price was changed, so it's nothing really.

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07/04/12 8:57:00 AM
#52:


Don't they have a right to ask to pay you to see your FB page,

No. That's an invasion of privacy.

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red sox 777
07/04/12 8:57:00 AM
#53:


So every time someone adds someone else as a friend on FB, they are invading their privacy? They cannot even ASK to see it?

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SmartMuffin
07/04/12 8:59:00 AM
#54:


No. That's an invasion of privacy.

No it isn't. It's an invasion of privacy if you refuse, and they hack into your account anyway.

If someone asks to come into your house and you let them in, you can't call the cops and have them arrested for trespassing...

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red sox 777
07/04/12 9:00:00 AM
#55:


Though the best response here is to walk away. If your company is so lame that you ask to see employees' social media pages, I don't want to work for you anyway.

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07/04/12 10:35:00 AM
#56:


No it isn't. It's an invasion of privacy if you refuse, and they hack into your account anyway.

The company is pressuring you to give up privacy to get a job, which if unreasonable (which access to a Facebook account is) should be illegal, in my opinion.


Though the best response here is to walk away.

I'm sure most people would love the opportunity to walk away from bad jobs, but it's not like everyone has the opportunity to just get a new job or to have some way of making money until that happens.

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SmartMuffin
07/04/12 10:39:00 AM
#57:


The company is pressuring you to give up privacy to get a job

And if you don't like that, you don't have to take the job. By this logic, any job that requires anything that most people would not like to do should be illegal. So long, garbagemen!

I'm sure most people would love the opportunity to walk away from bad jobs, but it's not like everyone has the opportunity to just get a new job or to have some way of making money until that happens.

You are not entitled to a job, or to money. Everyone has the opportunity to walk away from jobs. Once again, please explain to me why they can't find any Asparagus pickers in Washington State, given that unemployment is so high. By your reasoning, all of the unemployed are FORCED to take those jobs. And yet, they are not doing so.

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red sox 777
07/04/12 10:44:00 AM
#58:


The company is pressuring you to give up privacy to get a job, which if unreasonable (which access to a Facebook account is) should be illegal, in my opinion.

What's unreasonable? Is it unreasonable for Google to keep trying to get me to sign up for Google Plus when I don't want one? Of course, if I were a CEO, I would make sure no one in my company was using such hiring practices. It's stupid, and a classic example of being penny wise and pound foolish.

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redrocket
07/04/12 10:45:00 AM
#59:


SmartMuffin posted...
Once again, please explain to me why they can't find any Asparagus pickers in Washington State, given that unemployment is so high. By your reasoning, all of the unemployed are FORCED to take those jobs. And yet, they are not doing so.


This is a bit of a tangent, but didn't you mention that they are still only offering minimum wage for this job? If it's impossible for them to fill the positions, shouldn't the logic of the free market dictate that they need to increase their offer?

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red sox 777
07/04/12 11:30:00 AM
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This is a bit of a tangent, but didn't you mention that they are still only offering minimum wage for this job? If it's impossible for them to fill the positions, shouldn't the logic of the free market dictate that they need to increase their offer?

Yes, that's what the farmers in Georgia did when they passed a tough law against hiring illegal immigrants in that state. Couldn't find legal American residents to work on those farms for minimum wage.

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red sox 777
07/04/12 11:34:00 AM
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And if I were a CEO, what I would do instead of asking for social media info is simply to lower wages. The privacy to the employee is going to be worth more to them than the extra money I would be able to avoid paying them if I simply didn't ask for social media access.

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LOLContests
07/05/12 12:05:00 AM
#62:


What's unreasonable?

It's unreasonable, since a employer is demanding information from a prospective employee's private life that has no bearing on the job.

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-LusterSoldier-
07/05/12 4:02:00 AM
#63:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
How exactly would one sell an individual steam game?


WazzupGenius00 posted...
There'd have to be some way to de-activate it from your account and then transfer it over to your buyer.


In the case of Steam, a new version of the program would have to be released that enables you to sell your Steam game. However, this means that Steam would automatically de-activate and delete the game from your computer when you try to sell your Steam game.

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Vlado
07/05/12 4:05:00 AM
#64:


-LusterSoldier- posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
How exactly would one sell an individual steam game?


WazzupGenius00 posted...
There'd have to be some way to de-activate it from your account and then transfer it over to your buyer.


In the case of Steam, a new version of the program would have to be released that enables you to sell your Steam game. However, this means that Steam would automatically de-activate and delete the game from your computer when you try to sell your Steam game.


They don't have to delete it, just prevent the ability to launch it. Like with free PS+ games on PS3 once your PS+ membership expires.

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red sox 777
07/05/12 8:15:00 AM
#65:


It's unreasonable, since a employer is demanding information from a prospective employee's private life that has no bearing on the job.

If it has no bearing on the job, why is the employer asking it? Because the employer is being stupid? Well, that's probably true, but it's not the role of government to protect people from stupidity- because government tends to be more stupid than individuals.

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