Board 8 > Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Thread *Major Spoilers, derp*

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shepard is jesus

dies
risen
ascends to a higher form

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From: TheRock1525 | #101
shepard is jesus

dies
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Yep. Space Jesus isn't just Legion. There's some Space Jesus to go around.

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Really, though, I actually though "Shepard = Jesus" since game 2, just because the whole rising from the dead and that Jesus was referred to as a shepard.

Game 3 just hammers it home.

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Pretty much, Rock.

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i remember when he was just the first human specter

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From: ZFS | #105
i remember when he was just the first human specter
The notion of being the first human Spectre, leading the galaxy's interpretation of humanity and establishing a finer image, is just one stage on the road to the Jesus metaphor.

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I don't think Starchild's programming could have been altered considering he turned his creators into a Reaper. It basically came down to Shepard forcing a change because the Starchild himself couldn't do it. After all, despite claiming to be more than a normal AI, he still has preset programming, and if you want the Reapers to do something else, you have to replace him. At least, that's what I figure at any rate.

Again, still can't get past the irony of the Starchild creators getting boned by their own idea.

"Hey guys let's solve the problem by harvesting the most advanced civilizations into the form of giant synthetics that will purge all organic life every 50,000 years."

"Oh man what a great idea. Let's use this Catalyst we created to do it all for us!"

"High fives all around, everyone! There's no way this plan could backfire!"

Catalyst: "...You're a pretty advanced civilization."

"...Crap."

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ME1 Shepard is the best Shepard. Great story he had in that one.

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Yeah, The First Ones (that's what I'm calling them until further notice) really outdid themselves with that plan, didn't they?

And ZFS, I can't imagine one fraction of Shepard's saga without the rest now. Can't settle on any particular chapter as the finest in that regard.

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ME3 Shepard forever

Although he's not all that different from game to game as a Paragon or a Renegade. It just becomes a matter of scale as the series comes along, and Shepard uniting all the major races to fight against the Reapers as one...my hero.

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I group ME2/3 together, for Shepard and in general, but ME1 has a whole different feel to it, in my opinion. I wouldn't say I separate them, but that part of Shepard's story has always stood out more to me.

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Just remember, you can't call them Those Who Came Before! That one's already taken!

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Just went through all four endings. I'm satisfied. They explained more of what actually happens with each choice, and I never had much of an issue with the Catalyst thing to begin with, so that was enough for me.

I knew there was a fourth choice before going in but I didn't know it was to refuse the other choices, and I just shot the Catalyst out of habit. Imagine my surprise when I hear "SO BE IT."

I'm having trouble deciding which ending I prefer. I'm leaning toward Synthesis, but Shepard forcing that change on everybody is a little messed up. Control was awesome but really ominous given that it's basically "No, Shepard, you are the Reapers." Destroy was good but I don't like EDI and the Geth being destroyed.

Now that the EC is out of the way, I want my Retake Omega DLC.

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I'm willing to bet (and may have potentially-completely-outdated info, hint) that "Retake Omega" was going to be out around now until Extended Cut's development shifted things around for everyone. So I'd predict an announcement for it within a couple of weeks.

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Jeff Zero posted...

I'm willing to bet (and may have potentially-completely-outdated info, hint) that "Retake Omega" was going to be out around now until Extended Cut's development shifted things around for everyone. So I'd predict an announcement for it within a couple of weeks.

Nope Ally Reaper DLC =P

Time to get good version of refuse ending aw yeah

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I was thinking about it today and I feel like if they make another game in the ME universe ,that takes place after ME3, destroy is the only ending that could be "canon". I really doubt they'd make a new game where every single character is synthesized and I doubt that they'd make a game with friendly reaper pals around every corner. I mean I'm sure they could work around those two endings but it would be much easier to just go with destroy.

They could possibly go with reject but then they'd essentially have to make a completely new universe with new races.

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Nope Ally Reaper DLC

haha yes

They could possibly go with reject but then they'd essentially have to make a completely new universe with new races.

Humans sell copies to casuals (I'm not just saying this out of some weird fan spite -- many of my favorite characters in the franchise and indeed in all the space opera I've gotten into are human, this is just a statistical statement based on mass marketing data) so I really doubt EA would be OK with BioWare making another Mass Effect game without them. If they did go this route, they'd need a so-damn-close-to-human-looking-it's-positively-striking race, like... Vulcans but with slightly more curved ears. >_>

They could definitely go with an ending and say it's outright canon within the context of future installments while emphasizing that in any fan's alternate reality of ME3, something else is canon, and the one they're rolling with is just one possible future. Stressing that a bit while promoting a presumed ME4 would go a long way toward shutting up some vocal fans, although of course nothing will ever shut them all up. :P

I wouldn't count out Control as a potential continuation though. "Reaper pals" could have given the races all their data, helped to rebuild and gone silent/deactivated for good on orders from The Shepard, who would in turn become like something of a mystical artifact after several hundred years, and could play into the narrative by being contacted for some great power request or something toward the end. Give the machine the voices of Meer and Hale (kinda like how they handled Starchild, but without the kid's voice) and there you go.

It's a long shot -- I agree that Destroy would be the most likely -- but I could see it. I wouldn't even flat-out say Synthesis wouldn't happen, nor Refuse, but yeah, the green eyes and skin thing could turn off a lot of casual sales. They would need to downplay it, and just explain to fans that it was overstated in the ME3 ending to get a point across, and that over time races found a way to get rid of it for the most part because it's creepy.

I mean, it'd be a striking, unique thing. But glowing green eyes and the occasional green vein-looking thing on the cover of an ME4 will bewilder people.



"eww guys she's diseased XFD"

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Yikes. Pretty depressing looking!

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ASHLEYBOT GRIEVE FOR THE SHEPARD

VEGABOT CONTEMPLATE FUTURE VARIABLES

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and this is why we destroyed the reapers

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From: Jeff Zero | #117
They could definitely go with an ending and say it's outright canon within the context of future installments while emphasizing that in any fan's alternate reality of ME3, something else is canon, and the one they're rolling with is just one possible future
Isn't this pretty much what they did with Dragon Age? Where the newest book features in prominent roles multiple characters who could be dead in any given playthrough of Origins?

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I believe so, yeah. It's what they're really gonna have to do, because as much as a prequel might be kinda interesting for fans, from a marketing perspective it just... no humans = reduced marketability.

Plus I'd actually rather see sequels anyway, and I think most of us would >_>

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Whatever allows them to open the game up to a wider gameplay scale. I'm not sure they really want to, but sequel or prequel doesn't matter to me! I prefer them not to revisit any of the existing characters, though.

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I dunno. The idea of playing Mass Effect as someone other than Commander Shepard is kind of...unappealing to me, but I guess that happens when you get attached to great characters. I'm sure Bioware could come up with someone else who is great as well, but still, I'd be hesitant on the concept at first until I saw some details.

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The idea is 100% appealing to me. I love Shepard, but I'm confident the writers responsible for these characters can write another cast just as endearing.

From: ZFS | #123
Whatever allows them to open the game up to a wider gameplay scale. I'm not sure they really want to, but sequel or prequel doesn't matter to me! I prefer them not to revisit any of the existing characters, though.
I don't believe those Mass Shift rumors necessarily, but the people who came up with them aren't total dullstones. Something like an aged Liara will probably make it into any somewhat-distant sequel, really, as a tie-in. IMO, of course. Could be way off.

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Hey, it was hard for me to adjust to the idea of playing another FF game without Cloud in it for a while, too, and he was just the star of one game! That's just the way I get! I just don't like starting over from scratch within a series.

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I wouldn't mind something like that, just not multiple characters influencing the game. ME had a good cast, but it'd be for the best that they not be limited by them when it comes to future games. Any sort of very distant but same universe sequel would be cool.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Hey, it was hard for me to adjust to the idea of playing another FF game without Cloud in it for a while, too, and he was just the star of one game! That's just the way I get! I just don't like starting over from scratch within a series.

This is why I don't care for AC3!

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From: LeonhartFour | #126
Hey, it was hard for me to adjust to the idea of playing another FF game without Cloud in it for a while, too, and he was just the star of one game! That's just the way I get! I just don't like starting over from scratch within a series.
It's cool. I just don't have any issue with it. I mean, I think we've spoken enough times that you know I can get damn attached to game characters sometimes, too, but for whatever reason I can disconnect more easily like that.

From: ZFS | #127
I wouldn't mind something like that, just not multiple characters influencing the game. ME had a good cast, but it'd be for the best that they not be limited by them when it comes to future games. Any sort of very distant but same universe sequel would be cool.
Yep, I agree. I look forward to more ME3 single-player DLCs, but after that, I think we're good, Commander.

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ZFS posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

Hey, it was hard for me to adjust to the idea of playing another FF game without Cloud in it for a while, too, and he was just the star of one game! That's just the way I get! I just don't like starting over from scratch within a series.

This is why I don't care for AC3!

I am going to miss Ezio a lot, but I'll be God damned if AC3 doesn't look amazing in terms of setting, gameplay, etc.

Really, if the main character is a snoozer, I think I can get over it if everything else is as amazing as it looks.

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It doesn't do a whole lot for me. ACR was a nice series conclusion for the parts that mattered.

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Except for, you know, the whole "what the f*** are Those Who Came Before" and "how the f*** are we going to save the world?"

ACR did a good job concluding Altair and Ezio's stories, but kinda left the overall plot with even more questions (if that was even possible). And I want to save the damn world as Blandmond Miles, dammit!

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'Parts that mattered' was the key there!

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You're one of the few who cares about saving the world as Desmond Miles then.

Just turn the guy into Nathan Drake, and then maybe I'll care.

I mean, I'll still play the game, since the new setting looks cool, but the thought that this new guy is going to be more like AC1 Altair is pretty unappealing to me.

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But those parts matter the most! They are literally why you are even running around Italy as Ezio!

Whether Ezio got revenge for his family or not really isn't as high on the cosmic scale of importance as it was getting the message to Desmond Miles.

And it's not like I like Desmond, but honestly it's time for him to step up and do his thing. Also, I can control a boat and have PotC naval battles.

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From: TheRock1525 | #135
But those parts matter the most!
Overall, sure.

To the people playing the game? Not so much, because they care more about Ezio than they do Desmond.

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This is getting off topic, but you could completely remove the Desmond aspect from AC and it wouldn't matter to me. I need no reason to visit a recreated Renaissance Italy, or Jerusalem or Constantinople!

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I would have agreed after the first game, but by the second game they were so interwoven that I couldn't separate the two without hurting the experience of Ezio.

So now I've largely accepted Desmond's role and want to see how things play out in the end.

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You don't need a reason to Constantinople.

But anyway, Desmond's important, dammit.

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Desmond's important in the same way that Will Turner is important to Pirates of the Caribbean.

But nobody watches Pirates of the Caribbean for Will Turner!

Well, Desmond's more important overall than that, certainly, but the analogy is decent nonetheless and the point is made.

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That's an unfair comparison because the first PotC movie wasn't Will Turner and Captain Bland Sparrow.

Like, if Ezio was introduced in the first game it would make sense to marginalize Desmond!

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you know the world really just needs a $30 million dollar budget doctor who game

Desmond will always be intermission in AC. When he pops up, it's break time.

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From: TheRock1525 | #141
That's an unfair comparison because the first PotC movie wasn't Will Turner and Captain Bland Sparrow.
Well, there's a reason the first AC is less popular than the ones that followed!

Regardless, the point is that "importance" storywise doesn't automatically mean "importance" to the player/viewer/whoever. Desmond Miles isn't that important to the average AC fan, I would wager.

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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
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Well, if Ezio was that important and Miles wasn't, I don't think AC3 would have had 10x the pre-orders ACR did.

As much as people seem to love Ezio, there's a lot who are also burnt out on him and want a new protagonist in general.

While I agree that no one is clamoring for a Desmond Miles only game (well, I take that back as I know a few who want a modern AC game), I'd say that all things considered his role is too important in the series for him to be tossed aside even if he doesn't have a ravenous fanbase.

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Well, I agree it's obviously too late to shelve the guy, but he's not a selling point for the series. Just because people are still buying Assassin's Creed even though Ezio is out of the picture doesn't mean it's because of Desmond.

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AC3's setting is a far bigger contributor to record preorders than anything Desmond Miles. That, and it's a numbered entry after years without a numbered entry.

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Yeah, but Desmond isn't exactly a negative, either, as HM seems to think. And ultimately, most people who want to see the story resolved are fine with running around as Desmond for a bit.

I just think it's silly to go "welp, series over" based on Connor replacing Ezio, and this is coming from a guy who's favorite character this generation is Ezio and is completely underwhelmed by Connor (even more than pre-ACR Altair, to be honest).

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Oh yeah, it's definitely because of the setting. It's not like you're seeing a lot of Desmond Miles in those AC3 trailers! It's all about DAT AMERICAN REVOLUTION

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But nobody watches Pirates of the Caribbean for Will Turner!

one of the only things I liked about the POTC movie was Will Turner

the other was, yes, Jack Sparrow

but seriously those were the only two things, besides the historical backdrop

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oh and okay fine the main theme

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