Board 8 > Funny Article about "Nice Guys"

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Yeah I didn't find it funny but to each his own.

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I usually ignore these, but time for my take: No one has ever made fun of someone for being a nice person. However the buzzword "niceguy" is different. They are making fun of people too weak to be emotionally honest with those around them.

People are capable of being nice in general and still knowing what they want and being assured enough to take it.

I was raised by a single mom and I am not respectful and polite to women to try to get into their pants, it is just courtesy. If I was courting someone I would be direct and honest, because hey that usually works.

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Honestly, couldn't alpha/beta just boil down to confidence/no confidence?

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From: Ayuyu | #026
From: TheConductorSix | #025

You can acknowledge someone's presence while also ignoring them. If someone walks into a room and you turn your back on them and refuse to respond to them, you have acknowledged their presence with the act but you've also ignored them.

I don't think you know what ignoring someone means.



seriously, dude, pick your battles.

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Lines I liked

"You can tell how badly a culture treats women by how high a pedestal it puts them on."

"He wasn't in love with her; he was in love with the idea of her"


Very good article to read. Excellent points, and it's nice that the advice wasn't just "be a dick" in a vague under defined way.

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Also holy S*** why the hell are you people getting so worked up? What is there to "win" here? What exactly are you trying to prove to everyone here?

As one of the most emotional people here, I'm telling you that some of you really need to stop getting your panties in a bunch.



"If Cyrano didn't use a mirror to shave, he'd never see any p****."

Another line I liked.

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I usually ignore these, but time for my take: No one has ever made fun of someone for being a nice person. However the buzzword "niceguy" is different. They are making fun of people too weak to be emotionally honest with those around them.

People are capable of being nice in general and still knowing what they want and being assured enough to take it.

I was raised by a single mom and I am not respectful and polite to women to try to get into their pants, it is just courtesy. If I was courting someone I would be direct and honest, because hey that usually works.

Chris droppin the knowledge.

And Dark Young Link, people get upset because this. stuff. hurts. They say it doesn't. They say they don't care. But the same 5 guys are always here because they NEED me to be wrong. They HAVE to win. Because if I'm right...oh boy. That delusion they've been living in is crumbling down.

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Girls like guys who are risk-seeking, narcissistic, Machiavellian, and exceedingly confident. That's what this entire "alpha" thing boils down to. And while it's completely spot-on, this is also trivially obvious. If betas don't want to believe this is true, then by all means, let them continue to have poor success with women. There's no "winning" or "losing" here, honestly.

Oh, and a question for "alphas": seeing as you have the key to easy ****y, why not spend those skills towards a more serious relationship? Because if you have problems with non-casual relationships or a mistrust of women, those are problems equally serious with the voluntary ignorance of betas.

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I love LTRs. They're phenomenal.

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I enjoyed the article. I fail to see how this isn't a thinly disguised alpha/beta reference given that the "niceguy" described here is the archetypal beta.

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wasn't funny, a woman wrote it, go figure

when are people going to realize that if you're laughing at a female comic you're damn near completely alone 90% of the time?

thing is women are always like "I want someone really nice who listens to me blah blah etc"

so no surprise a lot of dudes are surprised when they take that advice and get literally ignored. once you realize that 90% of women are lying about what they like you do a lot better with them in general. don't get mad when something like this happens, take it as an opportunity to improve yourself and have more success in the future.

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From: Jeff Zero | #018

What's wrong with Nietzsche?

Besides, I mean, everything.

He was pretty cool I think.

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From: TheConductorSix | #016

punny...ayuyu...Lasa and Vince are only a short way away :(

Why the jab at me? I haven't responded to these topics seriously in over a year because frankly I've changed pretty much completely as a person concerning women in that year and don't overly disagree with you anymore because of these bad (if not to say awkward) experiences. I just don't feel the need to express this to everyone all the time here and very rarely talk about anything related to my personal life. I'm just basically posting this because I'd like it if you threw away that image of the 17 year old who thought he knew everything about women and replace it with the 19 year old that realizes he was wrong, but is still searching for the solution.


And that's the last serious post I'll probably make about this in a while so enjoy

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punny...ayuyu...Lasa and Vince are only a short way away :(

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not participating in alpha/beta arguments anymore.

so no surprise a lot of dudes are surprised when they take that advice and get literally ignored. once you realize that 90% of women are lying about what they like you do a lot better with them in general. don't get mad when something like this happens, take it as an opportunity to improve yourself and have more success in the future.

Does it really count as "improving yourself" to become more of a douche just because that's what the women want? Maybe the women should improve themselves so that they actually want the things they claim to. Just a thought!

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From: SmartMuffin | #068

Does it really count as "improving yourself" to become more of a douche just because that's what the women want? Maybe the women should improve themselves so that they actually want the things they claim to. Just a thought!

Yeah keep waiting on this to happen, SMuffin.

Besides, it really isn't all their fault that they think they want all this stuff. Feminism and droves of mediocre romantic comedies have told them all their lives that they should want those things. Feminism has taught them that they should want the total opposite of what real male sexuality is. Imagine their confusion when the exact opposite is what turns them on. The poor dears.

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Yeah keep waiting on this to happen, SMuffin.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I know it's not going to. That's where I fully admit to being stubborn. I don't know if I was born with less of a sex drive than the average male or something, but I'm willing to do what women normally do, and sit here and wait for the other gender to conform to MY standards, rather than spending my entire life trying to conform to theirs.

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Where are you getting that the author's a woman? He's named Brendan, and he even says "Really, it's the perfect summary of guys like your best male friend, and formerly me."


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Yeah see you're much less a non-conformist than you are just a pansy who is throwing in the towel.

Oh and re: long term relationships, this is mainly for realo

I find that a lot of PUAs and people who discover game in this country have a problem with them because it teaches us to get practically any girl that we want. This leads to an inability to find LTR stability because we are so unwilling to put up with the usual bs that comes with them. 2/3 years ago a girl could do practically anything in a ltr with me and I'd still be doting on her and wouldn't reprimand her for poor behavior. Now though I'm too far at the other end of the spectrum. My time is so valuable to me and any instance where I find it's being wasted is something I'll end things over and it's a real problem. I see this happening all throughout the community too. Game is supposed to be able to help LTRs but when you are taught not to put up with bulls*** it's a little hard to let things slide like you normally would.

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From: Drakeryn | #071

Where are you getting that the author's a woman? He's named Brendan, and he even says "Really, it's the perfect summary of guys like your best male friend, and formerly me."

yeah this was weird to me. Also weird was that admitted to eating cole slaw out of his ex girlfriend's armpit. gross.

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Believe what you want. But when it comes down to it, who's REALLY the alpha? The guy who says "This is what I am and what I want to be and too bad if the women don't like it" or the guy who devotes nearly every waking hour to finding out what women like and re-arranging their entire life around becoming it?

I guess it would be one thing if I was expending some decent amount of effort trying to pick up girls with my nice guy persona, or if I had unrealistic expectations that such a thing is a reasonable strategy to pursue or something, but I'm not delusional like a lot of betas out there.

But no, keep calling me names. I'm sure it's making Ryoko wet for you right now.

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There's no re-arranging my whole life. There's conscious effort to make changes at the beginning and then constant improvement that follows the attitude change over time.

And I'm sorry for calling you a pansy, that was a little uncalled for, yes. You just frustrate me so much because you would only need such minor improvements in your life and you'd start slaying it. You drive a motherf***ing Lexus. And Ryoko's always wet for me.

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From: SmartMuffin | #074

Believe what you want. But when it comes down to it, who's REALLY the alpha? The guy who says "This is what I am and what I want to be and too bad if the women don't like it" or the guy who devotes nearly every waking hour to finding out what women like and re-arranging their entire life around becoming it?

I guess it would be one thing if I was expending some decent amount of effort trying to pick up girls with my nice guy persona, or if I had unrealistic expectations that such a thing is a reasonable strategy to pursue or something, but I'm not delusional like a lot of betas out there.

But no, keep calling me names. I'm sure it's making Ryoko wet for you right now.

I think the only thing that makes Ryoko wet on board 8 is when she takes her water-proof tablet into the shower with her to browse it.

Also I am pretty much in the same boat as you in terms of level of sex drive, mine is a chemical problem though that my doctor can't seem to get right (testosterone is the least of my troubles and it complicates stuff!) but I also realize that there is absolutely no point in denying how stuff works. What you are going through is denial, Muffin. What you should do is be emotionally honest: You aren't changing not because you want someone to meet your standards, you aren't changing because you just simply don't care if someone ever does. There is a difference, I think. It's okay (if abnormal) to not care for whatever reason, but don't act as if this is some behavior that is on par with what this topic is about. You and this topic are discussing two different subjects, really.

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I kinda tried changing myself this year but then a few months later I realized that I had become the saddest I had ever been, so I went back to not give a single **** about women and hell yes it feels so much better.

Call it denial, say I gave up, I don't care I'm much happier that way than when I actually try to get women.

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Believe what you want. But when it comes down to it, who's REALLY the alpha? The guy who says "This is what I am and what I want to be and too bad if the women don't like it" or the guy who devotes nearly every waking hour to finding out what women like and re-arranging their entire life around becoming it?

well the point is to be yourself. confident, not hiding behind being "nice" etc. this doesn't just help with women, it makes everyone like you more and makes you like yourself more. it's a general solid way to approach life and the only reason it gets couched in love advice is because most men are so messed up about it now.

you're not re-arranging yourself, you're just being yourself. that's how it should work anyway.

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Ayuyu I have to say I don't think I've ever made it three posts of yours without you complaining about something or another. I think you need a different outlook on life in general!

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There's no re-arranging my whole life. There's conscious effort to make changes at the beginning and then constant improvement that follows the attitude change over time.

Right, I wasn't talking about you specifically with that one. I don't know you or realo or anyone on here well enough to make that determination or not. I'm more referring to the betas who get engrossed in the PUA community.

I think. It's okay (if abnormal) to not care for whatever reason, but don't act as if this is some behavior that is on par with what this topic is about. You and this topic are discussing two different subjects, really.

Fair enough. I come into these topics every so often in order to get challenged by realo and extha and the like. I'm arrogant but I'm not like 100% sure I'm in the right at all times. It's always good to come hash it out every once in awhile and see if someone can expose a flaw. But usually, the more I talk through this stuff, the more sure I become that I am technically in the right here.

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Confirmation bias says what, Muffin.

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RyokIes posted...

I did it recently to this kid I've been messing around with that I work with. By the end of the day he was begging me to meet up with him to talk about what was wrong. It's great.

That's discouraging.

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See that's the thing, I'm actually one of the most positive and optimistic person ever and I'm being told so almost every single day by random strangers, coworkers, friends or family member.

'' How can you always be so happy ? '' is pretty much the question I get asked the most often.

So yeah, I complain a lot on here but I'm not genuinely annoyed about the things I complain about, I just like complaining. And seeing the mad folks here every time I complain about something makes it oh so much more hilarious.

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From: ExThaNemesis | #072
Yeah see you're much less a non-conformist than you are just a pansy who is throwing in the towel.

Oh and re: long term relationships, this is mainly for realo

I find that a lot of PUAs and people who discover game in this country have a problem with them because it teaches us to get practically any girl that we want. This leads to an inability to find LTR stability because we are so unwilling to put up with the usual bs that comes with them. 2/3 years ago a girl could do practically anything in a ltr with me and I'd still be doting on her and wouldn't reprimand her for poor behavior. Now though I'm too far at the other end of the spectrum. My time is so valuable to me and any instance where I find it's being wasted is something I'll end things over and it's a real problem. I see this happening all throughout the community too. Game is supposed to be able to help LTRs but when you are taught not to put up with bulls*** it's a little hard to let things slide like you normally would.
Youll get over it.

After a while, I went back to craving stability. And with my newfound knowledge that I could have anything I wanted, I went out and found someone actually worthwhile.

Relationships become so much better when youre wise to the BS of romantic ideals and actually understand how the typical person behaves in reality. After a couple years of what i am going to call "RealOing" it, you should be able to figure out what you actually want out of women and then just go find it and be happy.

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you're not re-arranging yourself, you're just being yourself. that's how it should work anyway.

I'm already being myself. Myself is a guy who likes to stay home and argue with strangers on the Internet about the government. Going to bars and randomly approaching sluts I don't respect would certainly NOT be being myself at all.

In situations where I'm essentially forced to interact socially, being a nice guy isn't something I "hide behind," It's not some sort of tactic that I think will work based on what I've seen on sitcoms (I had this part figured out by high school, fortunately). That really IS being myself.

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From: Ayuyu | #083

See that's the thing, I'm actually one of the most positive and optimistic person ever and I'm being told so almost every single day by random strangers, coworkers, friends or family member.

'' How can you always be so happy ? '' is pretty much the question I get asked the most often.

So yeah, I complain a lot on here but I'm not genuinely annoyed about the things I complain about, I just like complaining. And seeing the mad folks here every time I complain about something makes it oh so much more hilarious.

Well, then I guess you are fine then! Carry on complaining to us.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Believe what you want. But when it comes down to it, who's REALLY the alpha? The guy who says "This is what I am and what I want to be and too bad if the women don't like it" or the guy who devotes nearly every waking hour to finding out what women like and re-arranging their entire life around becoming it?
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The former.

Because I just don't see anyone "devoting nearly every waking hour" becoming what someone else wants them to be, and still being respectable. If you allow someone to rule you, they will rule you.

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I think one of the things that holds back a lot of people is the idea that being "a douchebag alpha" hurts the girl you're with. It doesn't have to be like that. In fact, you want it to be the opposite of that.

Pick whatever cliche you want, let's just keep it simple with "Nothing worth having comes easy". If you just cave to her whim and think about her all the time and act like she's perfect and concede everything to her, you're making the relationship utterly boring for her. It becomes meaningless, it is something she accepts as a part of life rather than that "specialness" that you want her to feel because you care about her. Sure, she might like nice stuff and stick around until something better comes along, but if there is no surprise, no challenge, nothing new or different, there is no fullfillment. And who wants to be in a relationship that they do not find energizing or fulfilling? She will just ended up bored, or perhaps worse, she'll start actively resenting you. Hell, have you ever been in a relationship where there was NO fighting? Those end hilariously, you could almost charge admission.

SMuffin, I would think you of all people would like this, it's all about rational self interest, resource allocation, and a much better free market model than we'll ever have in the actual economy!

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From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #088

Hell, have you ever been in a relationship where there was NO fighting? Those end hilariously, you could almost charge admission.

My parents have never fought ever and their relationship is going strong!

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I don't disagree with any of that.

It's just not my style! In terms of rational self interest, your fallacy is assuming I care what's best for the woman. I don't. I care about what's best for me. I just plain don't enjoy being a douchebag.

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From: RyokIes | #091
Man I wish I had a waterproof tablet!
Then youd be wet all the time!

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From: SmartMuffin | #090

I just plain don't enjoy being a douchebag.

There are mountains of evidence to the contrary!

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Uh.... to women?

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From: ExThaNemesis | #093

From: SmartMuffin | #090

I just plain don't enjoy being a douchebag.

There are mountains of evidence to the contrary!

Being a dick on the internet doesn't prove anything about the life of someone IRL though.

My online persona is wildly different from my IRL self for some reason (I don't actively try to act the way I do both online or offline, it just happens naturally).

So I can totally see an Internet jerk be a genuinely nice guy IRL.

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Extha, I'm sure this thing has derailed, so I'm going to skip everything past your post.


The thing with Long Term Relationships is that you need MORE game for relationships than you do for random girls. Random girls just need you to pass basic Level 1 **** Tests like "I have a boyfriend" and "You seem like a player" or "What kind of girl do you think I am"

Random girls don't lie with you. They spend time with you once every 2 weeks. Your mystery is built in. Every time you're not with them they're wondering "I wonder what he's doing...probably with another girl."


Once you date a girl for a long time the mystery fades. They KNOW where you are and what you're doing. They know your little ins and outs and quirks. Your mystery slowly dies. You have to keep them interested somehow. This is why Long Term Relationships are usually the bane of men. They either become Doting Idiots and the girl eventually stays with them simply because girls love guys who dote, or they get dumped and don't know why so they become spiteful or self-deprecating.

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this is a topic

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