Board 8 > I got a quick hypothetical for you: Save millions of lives/the human race...

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But you will go down in history as the worst human to ever have lived. Hitler would be considered a saint when compared to you.

Would you do it?

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What's the alternative?

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The human race/millions of people die.

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If the alternative is they all die?

Uh, in a heartbeat.

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So everyone considers you the worst human to ever have lived for saving millions of lives?

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I never said it made sense, but then most of these kinds of topics on the board don't

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Like, is this just a perception/revised history thing, or do I really have to do an act that horrible?

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What did i do to make me worse than hitler but have saved all of man kind.

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"Here, Rape this baby or I'll blow up the planet and kill everyone"

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Dude if I go down in history at all it's a plus.

Depends how much the hatred actually affects me while I'm alive though.
I would say no if it meant the world sends a SWAT team to kill me immediately.

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From: Tsunbiribiri | Posted: 6/14/2012 10:18:21 PM | #007

Like, is this just a perception/revised history thing, or do I really have to do an act that horrible?

Perception thing. Whether you actually did something horrible isn't important, the world will think you did.

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I'd heavily consider letting everybody die but ultimately save 'em, probably.

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Only a complete egotist will say no.

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to be fair, JZ, as much as I 'love' people they aren't exactly the best thing to keep around <_<

I like living more than I 'love' people though so

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From: Jeff Zero | #012

Only a complete egotist will say no.

Whoa he's mad!

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_Regaro_ posted...

to be fair, JZ, as much as I 'love' people they aren't exactly the best thing to keep around <_<

I like living more than I 'love' people though so

haha. Fair enough. I guess I'm just really... Benevolent, lawl.

Not mad, pj. :)

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From: Jeff Zero | #015

Not mad, pj. :)

I'm sorry!

Backing off!

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Oh sure, I'll be The Dark Knight if it's just that. Family might suffer because of me though... hmm.

Also, premise reminded me of that SMBC comic about Hitler saving the human race because he made the hitler mustache out of style.

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If it's a perception thing and not actually true, why am I not allowed to prove them wrong?

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Wow, I'll have to remember this vicious smiley technique for that annoying dude in my history class.

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So either the whole human race dies, along with me. Or I save everyone and continue to live while being hated by absolutely everyone?

Nah, I'll let the human race die. We're a terrible species anyway.

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From: AlphaRayAllen | Posted: 6/14/2012 10:28:13 PM | #018

If it's a perception thing and not actually true, why am I not allowed to prove them wrong?

Hey, you're bringing too much logic to something I thought up just before falling asleep. But if you want to goo down that road, let's say you're dead or otherwise incapable of doing so.

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ShadowHalo17 posted...

So either the whole human race dies, along with me. Or I save everyone and continue to live while being hated by absolutely everyone?

Nah, I'll let the human race die. We're a terrible species anyway.

so you'll just walk out on your childhood friend like that?

And you forgot... The promise.

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From: Jeff Zero | #022

so you'll just walk out on your childhood friend like that?

What......? ......Sorry.

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No, the promise is probably WHY he's choosing that

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Ok, I got a slightly better thought out hypothetical now in somewhat the same vein: End all wars forever and bring about a utopia that solves all the worlds problems, (hunger, poverty, intolerance, etc.,) but you have to do something monstrous like blow up the earth or something. The alternative is that the status quo continues unchanged. Any takers?

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status quo

without any sort of hesitation.

problems kill people which is a tiny step towards solving overpopulation.

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Overpopulation would be fixed, but I can see where you're coming from. That being said, I'd probably base my choice on a coin flip.

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Like, say, eliminating all free will and lead the mindless drones to your vision of utopia?

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From: Tsunbiribiri | Posted: 6/14/2012 9:48:50 PM | #028

Like, say, eliminating all free will and lead the mindless drones to your vision of utopia?

oh god

that's even worse than what I originally imagined it to be

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1st example:

i'm gonna assume 'save the human race' is just an exaggeration for millions or billions will die. so basically, am i willing to be lelouch.
which is all depends on what i've got to do and the circumstances. i'd have no problems with letting millions die if the situation doesn't fit that.

end all wars one is uh...
why are you having me kill myself in your overblown examples. like, 'blow up a country' or even 'blow up a continent' make a lot more sense than the place where i myself am living on.

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judging by how exaggerated the consequence is i assume this IS a legitimate utopia, not a dystopia.

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pjbasis posted...

Dude if I go down in history at all it's a plus.

Depends how much the hatred actually affects me while I'm alive though.
I would say no if it meant the world sends a SWAT team to kill me immediately.

That.

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also:

yes i'd be a monster and destroy europe or asia to do the job, assuming i knew that it would work 100%.

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Choose what ever monstrous thing you feel, I was just using blowing up the earth as an extreme example.

From: Tsunbiribiri | Posted: 6/14/2012 10:48:50 PM | #028

Like, say, eliminating all free will and lead the mindless drones to your vision of utopia?

I guess if that's the monstrous thing you want to do, sure. I was thinking more along the lines of doing something so monstrous that people set aside their differences and helped each other to solve the worlds problems, the end result being something like TNG human society. I guess in one sense the end result is the same, a change in the way people think, only I was thinking it would be a willing change by the individual.

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From: Wanglicious | Posted: 6/14/2012 10:57:02 PM | #033

also:

yes i'd be a monster and destroy europe or asia to do the job, assuming i knew that it would work 100%.

For the sake of this we'll say it is 100% guaranteed to work.

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From: Wanglicious | Posted: 6/14/2012 9:51:12 PM | #031

judging by how exaggerated the consequence is i assume this IS a legitimate utopia, not a dystopia.

it would last a year or two tops unless you completely negate human nature

in which case what's the point?

would rather live in an imperfect, dangerous, but interesting world than a boring but perfect one

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From: MarvelousGerbil | Posted: 6/14/2012 10:57:41 PM | #035

Sounds like The Boss.

That's part of where the idea came from.

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From: _Regaro_ | #026

problems kill people which is a tiny step towards solving overpopulation.

You realize overpopulation is only exists because of a lack of resource?

If the world was a utopia, I'm guessing that goes away.

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So basically, the storyline of Code Geass

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From: _Regaro_ | #026

problems kill people which is a tiny step towards solving overpopulation.

You realize overpopulation is only exists because of a lack of resource?

If the world was a utopia, I'm guessing that goes away.
The world will never be a utopia with how many crappy people there are.

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all wars are ended forever, so that's out. and something so extreme would last MUCH longer than "a year or two." an effect that big would go through multiple generations and serve as a huge reminder to humanity for decades to come at a minimum. friggin' 9/11 lasted longer than "a year or two" and it's nowhere near the level being asked here. humans change depending on their circumstances, so whatever circumstances are needed to create such a situation will greatly affect them and that "human nature" will be changed. like it always is.

and if it's perfect then it's not boring. conflict between individuals wasn't removed. you're completely misunderstanding how a utopia works dude. >_>;

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What I'm saying is that human nature prevents the concept of utopia from lasting long enough to care about. If you can fundamentally change it? Sure.

I don't want that either, though.

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man, if the world would never be a utopia because of reason ___ then the answer is reason ___ will either go away because A) people changed, or B) people died.

either way they can't be a conflict to the hypothetical because that's not how a hypothetical work. >_>;

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that's why your action has to be drastic. so drastic that it WOULD tweak human nature in such a way where it not only could work, but would.

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in which case I don't see the point in enabling such a utopia to begin with. I believe that a world with fundamentally good and righteous people would be boring to live in. All of the problems with our world may be because humans are fundamentally bastards, but I said it earlier.

From: _Regaro_ | Posted: 6/14/2012 9:58:20 PM | #037

would rather live in an imperfect, dangerous, but interesting world than a boring but perfect one

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...man, your viewpoint of humanity sucks. it's entirely reasonable for fundamentally good and righteous people to want to, on occasion, be dicks. for them to have conflict. if you'd find a world like that boring then quite frankly, in your own words there, you're either a terrible person or the most boring guy on the planet.

it's not like personal free will and conflict got jacked out of it or something. that's not how a utopia works.

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From: ShadowHalo17 | #020
So either the whole human race dies, along with me. Or I save everyone and continue to live while being hated by absolutely everyone?

Nah, I'll let the human race die. We're a terrible species anyway.
You realize if you doom the human race, you doom the entire planet right? Because of power plants, in the event the human race all died at once, we'd pretty much have a global meltdown

...hell, let's just go all out and remove any major conflicts or problems too. keep in mind that even WITHOUT that, you'd have people inventing, making stuff up, and boatloads of entertainment out there, because people want to make it, people want to hear/play/watch it, and all types would have learned to co-exist.

like.
how is this boring.

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From: Wanglicious | #049
...hell, let's just go all out and remove any major conflicts or problems too. keep in mind that even WITHOUT that, you'd have people inventing, making stuff up, and boatloads of entertainment out there, because people want to make it, people want to hear/play/watch it, and all types would have learned to co-exist.

like.
how is this boring.
would people be able to invent in a world without conflict?