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OmarsComin
06/27/12 7:21:00 AM
#251:


my favorite SF4 thing to do is see someone who focuses too much and just tag him with a raw ultra as soon as I see his focus start up

they should feel SO DUMB omg

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OmarsComin
06/27/12 7:31:00 AM
#252:


watched your T Hawk mirror on your replay thing Nee

good s***

lots of defense going on from both of you - is T Hawk in 4 like Chun in 3s where all her good options are defensive ones? I know I have to play pretty patient against a player who knows what they're doing in 3s and it seemed like you guys were both hesitant to get up close. same kind of deal?

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OmarsComin
06/27/12 7:37:00 AM
#253:


(though obviously the big difference is that Chun in 3s is amazing and has killer pokes, while T Hawk in SF4 seems to be a hard character to use so I realize the comparison isn't exact)

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OmarsComin
06/27/12 5:57:00 PM
#254:


hey SF4 players, out of curiosity: how long (in frames) are your more difficult hit confirms that you can reliably pull off? I assume there's probably hit confirms in SF4 as well, maybe start with jabs or light kicks into strings or something?

I ask because I've been getting serious about 3s hit confirms in training mode and the hard ones are kicking my ass. Ken's cr mk xx SA3 is 13 frames and it's not much better than a guess whether I get it or not. Though I asked on SRK and most of the good players there were like "cr mk is really not very easy to confirm off of, most Japanese shotos can't even do it reliably. it won't happen over just a couple months" so that's less depressing I guess.

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OmarsComin
06/28/12 3:46:00 AM
#255:


most active FG topic

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OmarsComin
06/28/12 7:23:00 AM
#256:


http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18203274

everyone's gotta watch this. you may have to make a Nico Video account and IIRC you do that by hitting the orange button and you should get an english screen with directions. something like that. anyway making an account is worth it. you gotta watch this Yun just goddamn run through everyone. really fun to watch.

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TheKnightOfNee
06/28/12 8:19:00 AM
#257:


lots of defense going on from both of you - is T Hawk in 4 like Chun in 3s where all her good options are defensive ones? I know I have to play pretty patient against a player who knows what they're doing in 3s and it seemed like you guys were both hesitant to get up close. same kind of deal?

The THawk mirror is kind of weird in that both guys want to get up close, but if you do the wrong thing, you're screwed. You either have to get in first and guess right or respond to the other guy going in and attack. Jump-ins and condor dives can be stopped by Thawk's uppercut, HP, and a few other moves. If you mess up block strings, it's a free 360 throw. Certain blocked normals, and a blocked spire (except from max range) can result in a 360 too.

I ended up taking two of three from guy, which made me glad as he's one of the top THawk players out there. Early on, he was finding a bunch of good stuff and posting it on SRK and I actually learned a decent amount from him.

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OmarsComin
06/29/12 7:44:00 AM
#258:


some dude sent me a message and friend request. message said basically "I saw a replay of your Chun and would be honored to fight you with my Ken."

my first reaction was "it must be 3s because that's the only game where people would be excited to play me." but then I was thinking that if he said replay, that probably means SF4. because you'd only see me playing 3s on youtube and you'd call it a video or something. so someone would be honored to fight my SF4 Chun? lol. never thought I'd see the day.

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OmarsComin
06/29/12 9:08:00 AM
#259:




feel like I've really figured this "beating online shotos" thing out over time. I used to complain about online fraud Akuma but these days whenever I see a shoto online I expect it to be a free win unless I know the other guy and know he's good. there's a rollback'd hit confirm in there and a dropped parry of his tatsu but other than that it was mostly good. now if I can just figure out how to beat goddamn Urien guess parry types and Ibuki "what the hell is going on lag online edition calm down you crazy b****" types I'll be set.

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SythaWarrior
06/29/12 5:57:00 PM
#260:


I'll just leave this here.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/guity-gear-xxac-r%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B1%E3%83%86%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88

Not sure it works I'll edit it with a link to a different link if it doesn't work.

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Not_an_Owl
06/29/12 6:08:00 PM
#261:


From: OmarsComin | #254
hey SF4 players, out of curiosity: how long (in frames) are your more difficult hit confirms that you can reliably pull off? I assume there's probably hit confirms in SF4 as well, maybe start with jabs or light kicks into strings or something?

I ask because I've been getting serious about 3s hit confirms in training mode and the hard ones are kicking my ass. Ken's cr mk xx SA3 is 13 frames and it's not much better than a guess whether I get it or not. Though I asked on SRK and most of the good players there were like "cr mk is really not very easy to confirm off of, most Japanese shotos can't even do it reliably. it won't happen over just a couple months" so that's less depressing I guess.

SF4 hit confirms are loooong. Like Bison's c. lk, c. lk, c.lk x Scissors, or Rose's c. lp -> c. lk, c.mp x Spiral, or Juri's c. lk, s. lp, c. mk x Pinwheel. Lots and lots of time to see that you're hitting.

My guess is all those people who are "hit confirming" off a c.mk in 3S are actually just buffering the super in. Same idea behind a shoto buffering a fireball into c. mk in SF4 - they use the c.mk right outside of its normal range, and if the opponent sticks out a limb or walks into it the fireball comes out, but if they don't then nothing happens.

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OmarsComin
06/29/12 6:54:00 PM
#262:


Nah that doesn't work in 3s. You can buffer the second qcf but for the move to come out you have to hit the appropriate button. I think most people 'just do it' though. Or some are like me and use it mostly for punishing whiffs and dashes

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SythaWarrior
06/29/12 7:38:00 PM
#264:


Nio are you like my long lost Sister or something? We seem to like a lot of the same characters.

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Lopen
06/29/12 8:36:00 PM
#267:


Well I decided to watch that gg stream for a while

Seems like they're trolling or drunk right now though so I turned it off

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A_FamiIy_Man
06/29/12 8:58:00 PM
#270:


From: Lopen | #267
Well I decided to watch that gg stream for a while

Seems like they're trolling or drunk right now though so I turned it off

They're testing stuff for the first two rounds and playing seriously for the third to see who stays. Once in a while they'll goof around on the third because someone doesn't want to play anymore. Least that's what I think I got out of it.

ANYWAY here is a Japanese pre EVO tournament/event hosted and I think set up by Daigo

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/taito-live

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A_FamiIy_Man
06/29/12 9:10:00 PM
#272:


Wow. I knew about the EVO drive but a separate event so he could play at the arcade? Daigo such a class act.

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SythaWarrior
06/30/12 3:11:00 AM
#275:


I know you like Ky, Leo, And KoF in general.

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SythaWarrior
06/30/12 3:14:00 AM
#276:


Also Impressions from the PNW GG/BB/Other bull**** games.


Strong:
CHIPP (OMG), Robo-Ky, Ky, Eddie, Johnny, Anji

Kinda meh:
Dizzy, Baiken, Venom (This one might be good but looks meh.)

XFD DONE:
Slayer, Testament.

Testament is so bad now. LOL and seeing Slayer do normal damage makes me so happy.

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OmarsComin
06/30/12 8:26:00 AM
#277:


where are you zfs

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Shoenin_Kakashi
06/30/12 8:33:00 AM
#278:


Chipp and Anji good in the same game?
I am intrigued

Shame about Slayer, and lol Testicles

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SythaWarrior
06/30/12 8:49:00 AM
#279:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #278
Chipp and Anji good in the same game?
I am intrigued

Shame about Slayer, and lol Testicles



They were both good in Slash. But yea. Chipp has awesome new Force Breaks, 6K FRC That allows him Millia Hair Car FRC like mix ups and TRUE invisibility. Where you can not see him at all if he gets off double find meh. Really lame stuff. He's pretty scary right now. Anji... All around buffed and Red Butterfly goes full screen now. Really half the cast getting nerfed is what will make them stronger.

Slayer deserves it IMO

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Lopen
07/01/12 3:58:00 AM
#280:


Man it's so hard to quick match in SSF4 these days. I'm getting the feeling that most people that are still playing have high PP and don't want to fight low PP people. I've hardly played any ranked of this so my ranking is like 500 PP. Keep fighting people who are like 3000-- which I don't mind, but I think they do (I make it close and they only get 1PP for beating me) since I can never get a rematch with them. On the plus side once I beat a few of these guys maybe I'll have enough PP that I can get caught by people with high rating that want to fight similarly ranked guys.

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OmarsComin
07/01/12 3:59:00 AM
#281:


I guess that's a bright side of 3s ranked matches. a win or loss is worth the same value regardless of how good you are. 3s has the exact opposite problem though - once some guys realize you're good they start ducking you in ranked forever.

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Lopen
07/01/12 4:05:00 AM
#282:


Well I'm definitely not quite on their level-- I have a lot of trouble with their pressure-- but I am better than "win once every 20 matches" good which is making them not rematch, generally.

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OmarsComin
07/01/12 8:20:00 AM
#283:


how does I beat bison

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OmarsComin
07/01/12 8:22:00 AM
#284:


actually I'll just stop playing SF4 that seems easier

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Not_an_Owl
07/01/12 10:47:00 AM
#285:


From: OmarsComin | #283
how does I beat bison



Get a lead, downback. If he flashes, block high. There's more to it (matchup specifics for beating s. HK, for instance) but those are the basics.

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Weakupedia
07/01/12 10:51:00 AM
#286:


OmarsComin posted...
how does I beat bison


story of my life

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Not_an_Owl
07/01/12 10:54:00 AM
#287:


Oh yeah, and the Mike Ross Approved method of getting Bisons to use slide - waddle back and forth at 2/3 to 3/4 screen. Eventually, they will use c. HK. Block and punish.

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Weakupedia
07/01/12 11:28:00 AM
#288:


which reminds me

why the hell can bison fadc his slide

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