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Sokka > Toph = Iroh >= Zuko > Lin > Korra > Aang > Tenzin > Bolin > Katara > Mako > Asami

If you had told me before Korra came out that I would be ranking people beneath Katara, I would not have believed you.

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Only protagonists?

Iroh > Toph > Lin > Zuko = Sokka > Korra > Tenzin > Bolin > Aang > Katara > Mako > Asami

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GenesisSaga posted...

Only protagonists?

Iroh > Toph > Lin > Zuko = Sokka > Korra > Tenzin > Bolin > Aang > Katara > Mako > Asami

Yeah. I didn't feel like having to rank yet another character (Ozai) beneath Katara. Ozai is seriously the weakest major part of TLA.

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Yeah but Azula is like totally awesome.

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i started typing one out

and then realized i couldn't really even begin to rank them all. what a great cast for both series

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RyokIes posted...

i started typing one out

and then realized i couldn't really even begin to rank them all. what a great cast for both series

Asami and Mako

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well yeah, but they're not like offensively bad and don't ruin everything for me so it's still all good!

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Three seasons of characterization vs. One season that was intended to be the only season of a mini-series

Just saying.

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Yeah, you know it's a good series when the bad characters are at worst kinda boring. Like Ryoko said, they don't detract from the series, they're just no where near as good as some of the others.

JUST using the characters Ana provided:

Toph > Sokka >= Korra > Iroh > Lin > Bolin > Tenzin >= Katara > Aang > Zuko > Asami > Mako

Azula would be between Iroh and Lin. Suki, probably between Tenzin and Katara. Only reason Asami beats out Mako is because I'd rather look at her on my screen than him.

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AlphaRayAllen posted...

Three seasons of characterization vs. One season that was intended to be the only season of a mini-series

Just saying.

Yeah, but Mako's still had plenty of screen time for the episodes he's been in, and he's continued to not impress. The only thing he adds is a love triangle with Korra and Asami. He's not offensively bad or anthing, but he's just got nothing interesting going on.

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CrimsonOcean posted...

Korra > Iroh

What the

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From: CrimsonOcean | #009
Katara > Aang > Zuko > Asami > Mako
buh?

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GenesisSaga posted...

Only protagonists?

Iroh > Toph > Lin > Zuko = Sokka > Korra > Tenzin > Bolin > Aang > Katara > Mako > Asami

Factoring in antagonists, Ozai would be in dead last where he belongs, Azula would be between Iroh and Toph, and Amon would be below Korra. To tell the truth, he should be much higher on competence alone, but I'm starting to hate him because he's effectively ruining every other rivalry right when it starts getting awesome. Bastard.

It was lame enough to break the chemistry between Korra and Tahno, but Tarrlok too!? Right when he shot up to Badass Tier levels of awesome? Friggin' stupid!

Dude just can't share the spotlight with anyone! >:(

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I might actually put Ozai above Asami and Mako. I know it's terrible, but I really might. Also you forgot Zhao.

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Gen makes a good point. Tahno and Tarlokk are both > Amon imo. But Amon is far and away > Ozai.

And yeah, I really didn't care for Zuko. I can't help it, his character is just not my thing. Objectively he's not a bad character, and gets some of the most interesting growth/characterization in the series. But for me personally I'm not a fan.

Also yes Korra > Iroh. I mean, it's close, but Korra's bad ass design helps her edge him out.

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Zuko bothered me a bit too.


First he's bad, but devoted to catching the avatar.

Then his uncle starts to fix him. He starts to open up to new ideas.

Then he starts to see the other side of things first hand as a refugee in earth kingdom.

Then he heel turns, but in an unconvincing way.

Then he realizes that there is more to life than earning his father's respect and that the fire nation is not > all.

Finally fully commits to being good.



I don't know something in particular about the half hearted way he heel turns irks me something fierce. He had a decision to make, side with his Uncle or side with Azula. With his uncle having worked on him for 2 seasons already in terms of seeing the world differently it just didn't make sense to me that he would side against Iroh unless he was resolved in his choice, which wasn't the case at all. He could have chosen then and there to be a good guy and it could have been awesome. Or he could have accepted his choice then and there to pursue the avatar at all costs despite his uncle's teachings. And that would have been amazing too. But that point in the series he had both paths laid on in front of him VERY clearly and I just couldn't see any reason for him to not be ready to dedicate himself to one or the other.

And then it was 'cool' when he was a good guy at the end and the whole Zuko vs Azula dynamic was sweet too, but I just didn't like how they handled his choices at that particular point. Maybe it would have been better if it didn't seem like his uncle was being extremely effective in bringing Zuko around. Zuko could have been more resistant maybe and it would have felt more true for him to do what he did.

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AlphaRayAllen posted...

Three seasons of characterization vs. One season that was intended to be the only season of a mini-series

Just saying.

Yeah, but Mako's still had plenty of screen time for the episodes he's been in, and he's continued to not impress. The only thing he adds is a love triangle with Korra and Asami. He's not offensively bad or anthing, but he's just got nothing interesting going on.

Except for the fact that he Amon is his father...maybe

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Is Gen REALLY still complaining about Tahno? And now Tarrlok? Tahno was an rival for bending, no need for him to be around still, and Tarrlok being taken care of surprised me a bit, but the S1 finale is this week, they need to spend that focusing on Amon.

It's like you never want any plot lines to end and just drag on forever.

Also, Asami is awesome.

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Plus how are they supposed to fight someone who can just control every one of them? >_>

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Iroh > Toph > Azula > Sokka > Lin > Korra > Zuko > Amon > Aang > Tenzin > Bolin > Katara > Asami > Mako

Oh, fine, I'll do mine. Unpopular opinions alert.

Zuko > Lin > Iroh > Azula = Katara > Toph > Asami > Tenzin > Korra > > Sokka > Mako > Bolin > Aang

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It's worth being sad, however, I love everyone in my list except for Bolin and Aang.

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Zuko > Katara > Iroh >>> Korra >> Sokka > Aang > Toph >> Appa > Bolin > Tenzin > Suki > Azula >> Lin > Amon >> Mako > Asami > Ozai

Zuko, Katara and Iroh are in a tier of their own. By far the best three characters in the series and could be ranked any way (Iroh would likely have been 1st but for what happened before S3). Korra is catching them up but still a long way behind. Don't think any of the new cast is as good as Sokka, Toph or Aang were over 61 episodes, and I have a massive soft spot for Appa. Legend of Korra is much more about events than characters so I think that'll remain that way.

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My Immortal posted...

Is Gen REALLY still complaining about Tahno? And now Tarrlok? Tahno was an rival for bending, no need for him to be around still, and Tarrlok being taken care of surprised me a bit, but the S1 finale is this week, they need to spend that focusing on Amon.

It's like you never want any plot lines to end and just drag on forever.

Also, Asami is awesome.

This is a terrible post.

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I thought this topic was for the James Cameron movie and was confused.

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I thought this topic was for the James Cameron movie and was confused.

this happens to me on this board CONSTANTLY -_-

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Nah, he's right, Asami is awesome. And Tahno's use was at an end.


Tahno was actually all around terrible even during pro bending though.




Disagree about Zuko. The heel turn he did makes perfect sense. Like you said he was still indecisive. He could have gone either way. Completing his face turn there would have meant much less since he hadn't thought about what the Fire Nation is all about as clearly and really realized how crazy his father is. It was after betraying his uncle and going back to the Fire Nation that he realized just how wrong the Fire Nation is and how right Iroh was about everything. This understanding is made much stronger with his guilt over what he did at Ba Sing Sei.

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CrimsonOcean posted...

My Immortal posted...

Is Gen REALLY still complaining about Tahno? And now Tarrlok? Tahno was an rival for bending, no need for him to be around still, and Tarrlok being taken care of surprised me a bit, but the S1 finale is this week, they need to spend that focusing on Amon.

It's like you never want any plot lines to end and just drag on forever.

Also, Asami is awesome.

This is a terrible post.

Yep. It's pretty garbage. I would rank that post below Ozai. ;)

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I actually think that when Amon takes away someones bending he receives it himself. So that would mean he can now bloodbend...

it isn't really "blood bending" so much as a really powerful form of water bending. Taking away Tarrlok's bending would just make him a water bender who is strong enough IN his water bending ability to bend the water in someone's blood.


Also it would be ridiculous if that was the explanation >_>

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Great counter points Gen and Crim >_<

And anyway, I'm right. There's only 10 episodes in S1 of Korra, and 26 total. How much time do they need to spend on the sleazy guy who cheats to be a pro-bending champion? He was an antagonist in 2 episodes. Does he REALLY deserve more than 20% of Season 1?

And Tarrlok was scary and threatening, but again, he had him time, his story, and when it was over he was taken care of. It would have been horribly boring to watch them try to take him down, since they could only do it if they took him by complete surprise, and that isn't Korra's style. We would have just had to watch over and over again, her storm him, get blood bent, repeat. It would have been awful.

With a limited episode number, the Korra writers know where they are going and are moving towards it. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Amon is defeated this weekend and S2 has a new Big Bad. They don't have time to stretch out these minor bit players.

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Amon being defeat this weekend would be terrible. There has been no indication that Korra is anywhere near close enough to defeating him yet

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My Immortal, I suggest you never write anything ever.

What you're doing is excusing bad pacing. Also eliminating opposition almost as soon as it's introduced is not good for plot purposes- if you can't see that you're blind.

And no, Asami is not awesome.

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I don't think Amon will be defeated, I think Amon will be the main villain in S2 as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if it happened differently.

Again, as I point out, I think the pacing is FINE. I thought they spent too MUCH time on pro-bending, if anything, and I have no need or desire to ever see Tahno again.

And man, Asami is bad ass. In the last episode, she took out more Chi-Blockers while driving than the three benders (including the Avatar) did.

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Also, if you can't see that Tahno had no purpose to the overall plot, you're blind.

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The pacing really is not "fine". I get that it's a mini-series, but the writers are rushing through the plot and botching critical elements in the process. In my eyes, that is not "fine".

And Asami has the emotional range of a piece of plywood. If you want a generic character that looks cool and handles what should be devastating situations in completely unrealistic ways then sure, Asami is your girl. I, on the other hand, would prefer if she just completely exploded on Mako or Korra in "hell hath no fury" fashion. It would make her a lot less boring. She is seriously making me miss Katara- Katara, My Immortal. Katara!

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FD zuko was done fine. He was so involved in non fire nation culture, but suddenly everything he had wanted was offered back to him on a silver platter. As a teenager, his response was totally appropriate.

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I can see Korra joining Amon for season 2...

My Immortal posted...

Also, if you can't see that Tahno had no purpose to the overall plot, you're blind.

You have a legit point about Tahno, but you're completely off base about that other dude. He had significantly more plot significance and was a much more interesting character, and his development and downfall was handled in the exact same amount of episodes (which is 2 by the way). You cannot tell me that's "fine" pacing. Well I guess you could, but I probably wouldn't take your opinion in this matter seriously.

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I love Katara as well though, so I guess we just have different opinions on characters ^_^

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Katara wasn't boring. She was more grating than anything. I've never gotten the complaints about her being a Mary Sue. Now Asami- she's boring as f***. I guess driving racecars is p cool, but that can only get you so far...

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I'm pretty sure they even make an in show joke about Katara being the dullest character for the main group. >.>

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In the episode were Toph pulls all the scams ;-)

_Carlemagne_ posted...

I'm pretty sure they even make an in show joke about Katara being the dullest character for the main group. >.>

It's not hard to be duller than Sokka or Toph really. And once Aang got serious about confronting Ozai he wasn't that much more compelling than Katara imo.

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I can't believe you guys are still going on about Tahno

He had just about as much "development" as Ozai