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darkknight109 posted...

Feeling sorry for a bullet that killed someone and saying "Thoughts and prayers, you Nazi b****" is, if not celebrating murder, treating it with a remarkable degree of callousness. Again, those comments would get you fired from most jobs, regardless of who the victim was.

If a comic book author had posted similarly-phrased sentiments and said that they were sorry that a hammer had to touch Paul Pelosi, or had said "Thoughts and prayers, you bitch to Melissa Hortman, do you think they should have gotten to keep their job? Or would that no longer count as a "light joke" in those cases?

The fact that you're comparing a standard politician to nazi who openly advocates hate to an entire generation shows how horrible the normalization of supremacists have become. This is peak Both Sidesing

darkknight109 posted...

Fine, as far as I'm concerned, because the alternative is the entirety of the American population behaving like shit-flinging baboons instead of just the Republican half.

I am OK with enforcing "decorum", as you put it, on those who think the same way as me, because the current state of the Republican party shows what happens when you don't do that. If they had held themselves to a higher standard of personal decorum, Donald Trump wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the White House.

The left has called, oftentimes successfully, for people to be fired or otherwise punished when they mock victims of racial injustice like George Floyd or Trayvon Martin. I support those sorts of actions. Problem is, if the left starts allowing behaviour like Ms. Felker-Martin's to be acceptable so long as the target is a Republican (no matter how odious), we lose the moral grounds to call for those sorts of consequences, because then it's no longer about enforcing universal standards, it's about attacking people on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

I don't mourn Charlie Kirk. I think he was a piece of shit with noxious views. But I also don't think he deserved to be murdered for what he said and did, and I'm not going to celebrate his death. "Don't mock a murder victim whose corpse isn't even cold yet" should not really be a controversial view, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm a bit annoyed that it seems to be getting that way for parts of the American left, which has, up until now, still managed to retain its sanity.

You realize you're comparing people who are against racial injustice to people that literally advocate for racial injustice? Kirk was not simply someone with noxious views. He openly advocated for not having empathy to others, that white people were superior, that women were worse than men, and that the LGBT were the cause of moral decay and he specifically targeted the youth to spread his influence to. He contributed significantly to the state of the modern GOP which is why the top level Republicans and Trump himself have been personally honoring him.
Acting like he is equal to victims of racial injustice is legit disgusting and contributes to normalizing his extreme views.

darkknight109 posted...

Kind of comparing apples and paint rollers there, aren't you? One is about displaying some basic decency, the other concerns electoral laws and mechanics. Not exactly related topics.

Newsom is doing what he can to try and level the playing field against Republican dogfucking. I 100% support that. I am completely against gerrymandering in general, as all reasonable people should be, but if one side is going to do it with the judiciary's blessing, basic tenants of both fairness and democratic representation stipulate that the other side must do it as well unless and until the political will emerges to ban it.

And the exact same thing applies here. Republican media openly mocks and treats it as a victory when things like Nancy Pelosi and Democrats were targeted and while you may call that insane, that means nothing when you're in the minority and powerless, and instead pushes the worldwide messaging that attacking Democrats is acceptable. Meanwhile, if left wingers are punished for doing a fraction of that right wingers do, all that's going to do is give the message that left wingers can't show disdain for even Nazis and white supremacists with anything harsher than impotent finger wagging.
If one thinks the state of things is "fine" and you can pat yourself on the back for "keeping up decorum" while the GOP pushes fascism, the removal of human rights, aiding war crime, and destroying the constitution then one might as well just be a right-winger themselves.
White supremacists and rapists don't need decency.