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Topic	If existential fear won't get you to vote against Trump, then nothing will.
legendary_zell 04/26/24 8:18:25 PM #290:	Umbreon posted... Well I guess FortuneCookie doesn't want to continue the conversation so I guess we'll see what happens. Chainsaw man kills the babies. Fortune's loved ones, and then Fortune. I choose not to shoot the Chainsaw man because my morals dictate "Thou shall not kill". I'm a good person because I'm a pacifist. ...right? The point I was trying to convey, is that sometimes you have to do things you don't enjoy out of necessity. To 'stick to your guns no matter what' isn't, in this context doesn't speak to your integrity. It says "The lives of others are secondary to MY comfort". The thing is, your stance doesn't make sense. If you combined voting for Biden with using each and every means at your disposal to get him to stop arming and caping for Israel, that'd be a reasonable stance. By voting for Biden reflexively and without an attempt to push him in any meaningful sense and advocating for others to do so, that IS sacrificing the lives of Gazans and Palestinians for your comfort and the comfort of Americans. We know what the outcome of that will be, he's clearly not going to change without pressure, and things are currently on a course for genocide for Palestinians and safety for Americans. Yes, that's objectively better, but it's exactly what you're accusing him of. One such method is threatening not to vote for him unless he changes his stance, seems to me that's one of the few things that could change his mind, one of our most powerful tools as individuals and as a collective. As long as you don't actually vote for Trump or sit out, it seems like that's the moral thing to do. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:980112868] in If existen... [t:80755965]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>Well I guess FortuneCookie doesn't want to continue the conversation so I guess we'll see what happens.Chainsaw man kills the babies. Fortune's loved ones, and then Fortune. I choose not to shoot the Chainsaw man because my morals dictate "Thou shall not kill".I'm a good person because I'm a pacifist. ...right?The point I was trying to convey, is that sometimes you have to do things you don't enjoy out of necessity. To 'stick to your guns no matter what' isn't, in this context doesn't speak to your integrity. It says "The lives of others are secondary to MY comfort".</quote>The thing is, your stance doesn't make sense. If you combined voting for Biden with using each and every means at your disposal to get him to stop arming and caping for Israel, that'd be a reasonable stance. By voting for Biden reflexively and without an attempt to push him in any meaningful sense and advocating for others to do so, that IS sacrificing the lives of Gazans and Palestinians for your comfort and the comfort of Americans. We know what the outcome of that will be, he's clearly not going to change without pressure, and things are currently on a course for genocide for Palestinians and safety for Americans. Yes, that's objectively better, but it's exactly what you're accusing him of. One such method is threatening not to vote for him unless he changes his stance, seems to me that's one of the few things that could change his mind, one of our most powerful tools as individuals and as a collective. As long as you don't actually vote for Trump or sit out, it seems like that's the moral thing to do. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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