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He's definitely been more clever about it than past Putin shills, but couldn't help himself w/ baking in too much propaganda to pass the "naive" or "genuinely uninformed" benefit of the doubt barrier.

conduit posted...

Isn't the US still maintaining the war in Ukraine to save face as well? I mean the US has already said that it shut down the Istanbul peace deal and maintains the war in Ukraine in order to look tough to China because of long term strategic concerns over Taiwan. So I disagree about the US having nothing to lose.

The US isn't "maintaining" the war.
They didn't shut down peace deals, Ukraine itself doesn't want a hollow peace deal that gives Russia a chance to rebuild and then attack again, since Russia breaks every peace deal when it's convenient for them and the only way to actually have peace is to defeat them decisively militarily.
And... guess I won't add my related commentary to that.

But I agree with everything else you said. The US exploited divisions in Ukraine to start a civil war with the purpose of luring Russia to intervene in the conflict and keeping them bogged down in a costly unwinnable war that would drain their resources and pressure the Russian economy and cause tensions for the Russian regime.

The US didn't start a civil war. Russia tried meddling in and controlling their government and they resisted it. This is just pure lies and propaganda.

The plan is working perfectly so far. The ultimate goal is the collapse of the Russian state. Similar to the way Afghanistan was used to collapse the Soviet Union.

1. It's not their plan
2. Their goal was never the collapse of the Russian state. Given the 6000 nukes in Russia, that would be a catastrophe. And for the first year, the West bent over backwards trying to find an "off ramp" for Putin so he could "save face"
3. The US made the Soviets invade Afghanistan? Is that what they're teaching you in those Russian schools?