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adjl 02/26/24 1:41:54 PM #54:	Jen0125 posted... This sentiment makes me insane. WWII and the Holocaust were my special interest history topics to learn about as a teen. Everything I read shapes my opinion on what is happening now. Zionists are completely in the wrong. Anyone with a cursory understanding of the Holocaust can see that. What's really annoying is that I get it: A huge factor in the "success" of the Holocaust and the other ways in which the Nazis oppressed Jews was a strong undercurrent of casual antisemitism throughout all of Europe. Hitler didn't show up as some antisemitic asshole out of nowhere, he just represented the extreme of the the antisemitism most people felt. It wasn't until the extent of the Nazis atrocities came to light that the rest of the world realized just how bad the antisemitism they thought nothing of had gotten, and to that end I fully understand why people are hesitant to disapprove of Israel: Even if it seems reasonable to them, they've seen what can happen with the free pass that's afforded by reasonably (in their eyes) thinking ill of Jews, and they don't want that to happen again. The reality, of course, is that such matters are significantly more complex than just "don't be mean to Jews," but I do believe that most pro-Israel people at least mean well. It's just really frustrating to see intelligent, well-meaning people just drop the issue at "I don't want to be antisemitic" or "Hamas is a terrorist organization" when there's so much more to it than that and arming Israel is so blatantly complicit in a horrific genocide. Avoiding antisemitism is good, but not when that anti-antisemitism prevents you from recognizing and responding appropriately to cases when somebody who happens to be Jewish is doing something wrong. BoomerKuwanger posted... That's fair, but there are like ten people who read this board and I think we're already like 66-80% pro-Palestine All true, but I still think it's worth taking the time to form arguments. If nothing else, doing so helps me understand the issue better. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:979054416] in god they'r... [t:80705526]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite><quote>This sentiment makes me insane. WWII and the Holocaust were my special interest history topics to learn about as a teen. Everything I read shapes my opinion on what is happening now. Zionists are completely in the wrong. Anyone with a cursory understanding of the Holocaust can see that.</quote>What's really annoying is that I get it: A huge factor in the "success" of the Holocaust and the other ways in which the Nazis oppressed Jews was a strong undercurrent of casual antisemitism throughout all of Europe. Hitler didn't show up as some antisemitic asshole out of nowhere, he just represented the extreme of the the antisemitism most people felt. It wasn't until the extent of the Nazis atrocities came to light that the rest of the world realized just how bad the antisemitism they thought nothing of had gotten, and to that end I fully understand why people are hesitant to disapprove of Israel: Even if it seems reasonable to them, they've seen what can happen with the free pass that's afforded by reasonably (in their eyes) thinking ill of Jews, and they don't want that to happen again.The reality, of course, is that such matters are significantly more complex than just "don't be mean to Jews," but I do believe that most pro-Israel people at least mean well. It's just really frustrating to see intelligent, well-meaning people just drop the issue at "I don't want to be antisemitic" or "Hamas is a terrorist organization" when there's so much more to it than that and arming Israel is so blatantly complicit in a horrific genocide. Avoiding antisemitism is good, but not when that anti-antisemitism prevents you from recognizing and responding appropriately to cases when somebody who happens to be Jewish is doing something wrong.BoomerKuwanger posted... </cite><quote>That's fair, but there are like ten people who read this board and I think we're already like 66-80% pro-Palestine</quote>All true, but I still think it's worth taking the time to form arguments. If nothing else, doing so helps me understand the issue better. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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