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TopicBoard 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 18: The Offseason
KCF0107
03/05/23 8:22:51 PM
#28:


Because I'm the only one capable of understanding the context of these players careers, I acknowledge that for some it can be difficult to evaluate these players as a result. As always, here is my public ballot to possibly be a reference tool for whatever the participants ultimately decide.

Ginn - Yes

Ginn would almost certainly be a real life Hall of Famer with this kind of career, so in a game that lack the prolific passing attacks that has been going on in real life, his numbers really jump out. He's third in career rec yards in B8NFLL history, and his 120 total TDs scored I believe are 2nd. His stellar work as a returner, and getting that Super Bowl ring in his final season are just the icing on the cake for a Hall of Fame career.

Manningham - No

He had quite the decorated career despite being a part of some terrible surrounding casts with the Colts. In a way, he's like a poor man's Ginn, and you have to wonder where he would have ended up statistically if he and Ginn swapped landing spots. His body of work doesn't quite reach Hall of Fame-caliber to me, but it was indeed a great career.

Turner - No

In terms of his five year peak (his final five seasons), he was probably the third-best WR in the league after Gonzie Massey and Stefon Diggs. He averaged roughly 950 yards and 10 TDs during that span. It's a shame that his career began just after War went crazy with Aaron Rodgers, who led the league in passing every season from S2-S5. If he combined his late-career peak with more production in his Browns tenure, I'd say his case would be very compelling.

Miller - Yes

Miller is probably the most complete TE that we've had and likely ever will have. I know TE stats are underwhelming, but he averaged over 60 receptions and nearly 550 yards every season. Among active TEs, nobody has more than 589 receptions or 4993 yards (34 year old Dwayne Allen for former, 31 year old Tim Wright for latter). Miller's rec and yardage totals might stand as B8NFLL records at the position. There's no performance stat to back this up, but he was also an excellent blocker. He was the #1 run-blocking TE and #8 in pass-blocking, and it showed amid a roster that kept churning OL. Also, you all know that I am a sucker for ironman streaks, and he started every game possible (in the regular season).

Young - Yes

Young is one of the more interesting cases. His ratios are great but not quite elite along the interior. However, he was responsible for a lot of blocks. The closest block total among true interior OL is Josh McNeil, who is still active and will add to his totals, with 564. That difference is quite obscene. He has also been quite decorated and has had a profound impact in the running game with the Jags, blocking for the likes of Hall of Famers Adrian Peterson and R.J. Jackson and incumbent Eddie Lacy who has 1100+ rushing yards in each season with the team. I wish I could remember the exact trade details that led him from Washington to the Jags as there were multiple of those in a short span. It could have been the Drew Brees/Keiwan Ratliff trade. It's not important, but this was an excellent career by the former 5th round pick.

Inman - Yes

There might be a performance peak, any position, as good as Inman across his first seven seasons. He had the following marks across those seasons:

81 blocks, 7 sacks
87 blocks, 3 sacks
101 blocks, 5 sacks
88 blocks, 4 sacks
93 blocks, 5 sacks
92 blocks, 4 sacks

A small dip in efficiency followed by injuries and small-sample size then caused him to only finish with 12.4 blocks per sack allowed, but damn was he was phenomenal and instrumental in two Super Bowl victories for the Commanders. In a list of candidates full of no-brainers, he might be the most obvious one.

Trautwein - Yes

I voted yes for Mike Jones last season for his phenomenal second-half career with the Titans. Trautwein is another such player. He play sporadically with the Ravens as mostly a swing OL who also dealt with some injuries. When he left for the Titans at the age of 31 to become their full-time RT, he began by posting 42 blocks against 1 sack allowed. He then followed that up with a five season stretch where he combined for 355 blocks vs 24 sacks allowed and four trips to the Pro Bowl. His final season was sadly cut short, but he didn't allow a sack in five games (10 blocks). His ratio ended up better than Inman's, and his per 16 game averages look fantastic. As defenses have started rising in recent seasons, Trautwein has continued playing at an elite level. His overall body of work might not be enough for people, but he's a Hall of Famer to me.

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