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Okay so I waited a bit to post cuz I wanted to see arguments and even though they're ahead in votes I just don't see how the cakebois with this fight. Absolutely nobody thinks Estinien is gonna do anything but leave a stain on the floor, so he doesn't even count. Vrtra is a big fuckoff dragon who is now stuck in a 1v5 with an even bigger, even fuck-offer dragon, three persona-wielders, and a berserked Selvaria. Does he get out? No, he doesn't. Even if all he tries to do is flee, Zenos has chased far faster, far worse foes at the edge of the universe. Maybe they get out of the hall of the griffin before he dies, and if he realizes he's cornered he might even turn and take out one of the human combatants, but here's the actual problem the cakebois face: this is a battle of attrition. Anything that Vrtra does is going to be healed back up by Yu Narukami. In fact, Yu Narukami is the MVP here and the entire reason that his team can't lose this fight. So Esty and Vrtra are down and Zenos and crew move out into Garrus' and Zeratul's domain, the middle/city streets area of the map. Kiryu has had time to put up Tetrakarn, which is a full physical damage reflect, on his whole team. Zeratul probably attempts to shank (pick any) of the squishies, realizes that he would suicide with his rewinds, and holds back. Garrus pings himself with a few sniper shots, but I think Garrus is used to the idea of fighting people who have tech-or-magic based shields, even reflective ones, and he could probably puzzle out how it works in time to kill somebody- though he will have wounded himself at least somewhat. However if the little guys are shielded he might try going after the big guy, Zenos the Dragon, and that is going to aggro Selvaria, who is going to go HUNTING for Garrus. (Even in her berserked state she'll still have 'protect my lord' as her main objective.)
I'll take a moment to mention Haurche and Gael here because the battle of the squishies is important. So we have Yu, the healer, protected by Tifa and Kiryu, who are both known to be very sympathetic and protective of children! Tifa (with her provoke and defensive materias) can tank Gael long enough for Yu and Kiryu (with their personas) to mulch Gael. I strongly believe Haurchefant would meet up with Garrus for long enough to try and defend him from Selvaria, allowing him to escape for a moment, before sadly being impaled (again.) This is giving him more usefulness than if he tries to hang out with Gael and runs into Kiryu and Tifa because... yeah. Again, the issue is even if Gael manages to do significant damage before he dies, even if Zeratul manages to gib one or two folks, Yu can raise them and heal them up and if Yu, who is the MOST protected, actually gets gibbed himself, Tifa sends out Carbuncle to reset the fight. Garrus is great but even he can't deal with the level of heal and shield spam coming out of this team. And that's assuming Zenos isn't barfing horrible magic all over the city trying to find the annoying sniper man.
So, eventually, after a nasty awful fight, Garrus and Zeratul finally fall, and then team Persona (and Zenos) finally make it to the cake. Raiden leaps out, yells SURPRISE, ITS TIME TO RIP, and- well the funniest thing is if he manages to bisect himself on a tetrakarn (which Kiryu has had time to reapply) but even if tetrakarn did not exist, Raiden does not win the 1v5. Because it is a 1v5. And while I firmly believe Raiden CAN 1v1 Zenos, I don't think he can deal with a bunch of physical reflect and heals. Not without any support of his own. So... Yeah. If this was just a battle of power vs. power, that's definitely on Raiden's side, but it's not. You've all done enough PVP to know that if you're on a team with a healer and the other team doesn't have one, they can either kill that healer or lose slowly to attrition. Which is exactly what happens here. So my vote is for Team PERSONA

PS: also it's been three days you goddamn forums let me POST

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