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Topic	K-Pop summer topic part 2
PumpkinCoach 08/21/22 11:57:10 PM #54:	paerarru posted... ...okay, so ban them from training also? You're doubling down on a level of purity that's unrealistic, not to mention impractical. Maybe even a hint paranoid in its vigilance. I know you have very well justified, and well intentioned reasons for doing so, but yes, there's something to be said about not making the conscience and morals of other people the archenemies of our tastes and sensibilities... that's not my conclusion though. i'm agreeing that a ban is impractical and arbitrary, but also that it wouldn't address the issues that often get raised. i think you can have a safe environment for minors and everyone else in the industry, but it takes work. paerarru posted... Exactly, that IS the point, but you don't see it through, you don't care to see it through, you don't connect those two paragraphs. There are two big issues, and if and when they come together they may yet make a third, but everybody chooses to cast the narrative their own way, mix and match, one big easy to judge or dismiss lump. i can barely parse this, but what i mean is that there are issues specific to minors and ones that affect minors but also apply to adults in the industry and could be addressed together. paerarru posted... But Pumpkin. Liking girls (or boys) is not necessarily creepy, in fact it's quite perfectly natural. Yes, even young girls, to some degree, in some way, if that's even what might happen at some given moment. this isn't about how you or i or anyone else personally engages with newjean's material. i am not the thought police. paerarru posted... Everyone has their own perception, their own limit. And what might seem innocent to some might seem extreme to others. hence, a dog whistle. the presentation in the hurt mv is very sexual. i'm not talking morals, just visual literacy. most people are not going to see it that way, and more power to them. i can lay out why it's creepy and that would just be another perspective, and yeah, it's not a crime scene - like i said, i can't draw any conclusions beyond an aesthetic critique. paerarru posted... Where does that leave the children's agency? how much agency do you think the kids are allowed in any part of newjean's presentation? though i take the point that there are presumptions about how individual performers feel in a lot of critique, but again, my focus is not on newjeans but on broader industry and cultural attitudes. KaZooo posted... Never thought I'd be on gamefaqs seeing 14 year olds pit against each other between users, like parents who get competitive over kids sports. oh yeah? let's take it to the skating rink my kid's a champion figure skater --- https://i.imgur.com/CQr5Xab.gif this is a world... where azuarc eats gurus <cite>PumpkinCoach posted [p:967479377] in K-Pop summ... [t:80107225]...</cite> <quote>paerarru posted... </cite><quote>...okay, so ban them from training also? You're doubling down on a level of purity that's unrealistic, not to mention impractical. Maybe even a hint paranoid in its vigilance. I know you have very well justified, and well intentioned reasons for doing so, but yes, there's something to be said about not making the conscience and morals of other people the archenemies of our tastes and sensibilities...</quote>that's not my conclusion though. i'm agreeing that a ban is impractical and arbitrary, but also that it wouldn't address the issues that often get raised. i think you can have a safe environment for minors and everyone else in the industry, but it takes work.paerarru posted... </cite><quote>Exactly, that IS the point, but you don't see it through, you don't care to see it through, you don't connect those two paragraphs. There are two big issues, and if and when they come together they may yet make a third, but everybody chooses to cast the narrative their own way, mix and match, one big easy to judge or dismiss lump.</quote>i can barely parse this, but what i mean is that there are issues specific to minors and ones that affect minors but also apply to adults in the industry and could be addressed together.paerarru posted... </cite><quote>But Pumpkin. Liking girls (or boys) is not necessarily creepy, in fact it's quite perfectly natural. Yes, even young girls, to some degree, in some way, if that's even what might happen at some given moment.</quote>this isn't about how you or i or anyone else personally engages with newjean's material. i am not the thought police.paerarru posted... </cite><quote>Everyone has their own perception, their own limit. And what might seem innocent to some might seem extreme to others.</quote>hence, a dog whistle. the presentation in the hurt mv is very sexual. i'm not talking morals, just visual literacy. most people are not going to see it that way, and more power to them. i can lay out why it's creepy and that would just be another perspective, and yeah, it's not a crime scene - like i said, i can't draw any conclusions beyond an aesthetic critique.paerarru posted... </cite><quote>Where does that leave the children's agency?</quote>how much agency do you think the kids are allowed in any part of newjean's presentation? though i take the point that there are presumptions about how individual performers feel in a lot of critique, but again, my focus is not on newjeans but on broader industry and cultural attitudes.KaZooo posted... </cite><quote>Never thought I'd be on gamefaqs seeing 14 year olds pit against each other between users, like parents who get competitive over kids sports.</quote>oh yeah? let's take it to the skating rink my kid's a champion figure skater --- https://i.imgur.com/CQr5Xab.gifthis is a world... where azuarc eats gurus</quote> ... 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