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I mean, could I really call myself a friend of Ben if I didn't try crazy theatrics at least once per game?

Idk, it would've been hilarious if the remaining scum member believed me. Y'all are too smart for that, but it was worth a shot.

In hindsight, I should've waited until Ctes was online again just to get his reaction, too. But my intent was to litmus test whether we're working with a mafia opposition or a third party. Because if there's actually a Serial Killer, it would have to be somebody who is smart enough to not kill anybody until they were certain the last scum was dead.

... And that would have to be you, Chris. That is... if you weren't painting an enormous target on your back with your performance on the first two days.

So I'd rather focus on y'all's roleclaims. I find both claims easy to fake in this setup, as dissuading scum from wanting to kill you is a perfect cover to explain why you're alive. So let's consider what makes both claims sound ridiculous.

Vengeful:
- With scum poisoner and backup allowing two possible poisons, Vengeful adds yet another killing role that could have made this game much closer and shorter. Plausible, given how absolutely large this game was from the start
- Although it does resolve Bulletproof, it's a roundabout way to resolve it
- It's a reactionary role that makes me question how tight the timing would be allowed. For example, say the last night action is sent in just before 6:30 PM, and the result is that you are dead. You now have half an hour of real time to select your kill target before the day begins. Now, MZero's role behaved similarly, but the difference is that nothing could stop him from using his ability (IIRC at least). Meanwhile, Vengeful relies on the checks for nightkill (scum targets you for death), Doctor (you are the nightkill target and Ulti protects you), and Hider (Red is the nightkill target and he hides behind you) before it can be determined that you have died.

Ghost:
- lol wtf this role is really freaking good for Town are we sure this is real?

Though honestly despite the reasons above, I'm less believing of the Ghost claim. But in all fairness, the sheer amount of killing potential scum has with potential double poisons may allow Ghost to exist as the check for that, whereas Bulletproof may indeed have been a red herring. But granted, Chris's claim after Lea's lynch and before Abacus andCtes's claims makes the Vengeful claim more believable unless Chris had knowledge of the remaining setup upon the day after we lynched Lea. Otherwise, Chris would've risked being shot by actually killing role by now. So unless he knew the remaining unclaimed didn't have any killing power, claiming to have a role that resolves Lea's claim would have been suicide.

In short, I'm more willing to believe Ctes is the remaining adversary. Even if I end up handing the game over to Chris on a silver platter if he's actually the true foe, he murdered the scum poisoner and didn't yell at Isquen to poison somebody. Chris, you would be the true madman if you are scum. Or heck, if you're third-party, you're insane for making yourself such a huge target for scum.

As for my own defense, I'd like to bring up that:

1) I corroborated Ulti visiting Chris, as you all know very well. Someone would need to make a good argument for how I could have faked that to make my Watcher claim valid, because again, if I knew Ulti visited Chris, why wouldn't I assume he's the Doctor? Especially since on D3 (I think) Chris pointed out that he was probably only alive because of protection still being in the game, which clearly meant there was a good chance of Ulti being the doctor.

2) If I'm scum, then you'll have to believe that Isquen either didn't use his back-up or burned a redirect on some random, other people. Because clearly nobody was poisoned. I'll concede that me attempting to target Red that night was foolish, but it didn't matter anyway, as I had rightfully predicted scum wouldn't let me scan Hb or Death so easily anyway, and if they did, it's because they weren't gonna kill either of them that night anyway. *sigh* I wish I had considered that logic when Sbell died, but I figured Hb was the higher priority target with his restored scans.

Based on those arguments, I'd assert that in spite of my lacking performance this game, you can't reasonably point the finger at me until you can sufficiently debunk those arguments. But I imagine the same logic you'd have to use to make those arguments false could also be applied to Chris's town alignment.

Therefore, I think Ctes is the remaining scum here. You don't think Chris is scum because of his actions this game, yet you're prattling on about some asinine Darthmanitan theory when your real focus should be on explaining why Isquen failed to use his back-up or didn't redirect Hb instead. Until you can explain that, you've got no argument to make. And since you've already cleared off Chris from the list, then either you and I are fools playing right into Chris's hand, or you just PoE'd yourself into being the remaining scum.

That being said, I don't want to vote yet. Ctes, I'm putting the onus on you for making a good argument that Chris could be scum. That's the only way I can see you being the innocent here, as Chris rightfully pointed out that we'd both be madmen if we were scum. So what's the truth?