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Topic	Amber Heard royally fucked herself.
adjl 05/19/22 3:52:07 PM #37:	LeetCheet posted... Why do we seem to care more about suicide attempts than successful suicides? How is that what you took away from what I said? LeetCheet posted... And what counts as an "attempt" exactly? It could mean anything from threatening to commit suicide to someone or just hurting themselves. Threatening to commit suicide and hurting themselves are counted as "suicidal ideation" and "self-harm," respectively. Statistics on the matter don't count those as attempts; "attempts" refers specifically to deliberate actions that the individual believes stand a decent chance of ending their life. LeetCheet posted... I'm sure a majority of men intentionally hurt themselves in various ways anyways that are too subtle for others to pick up like overworking or hurting your fists by punching walls. And now you've gone from "70% of suicides are men so therefore men have it harder than women" to "well I don't actually have statistics but I'm sure they get hurt a bunch of other ways because of poor mental health and people just don't notice." You're not exactly supporting your desired conclusion very well. LeetCheet posted... The difference is that men usually don't tell others how they feel because they've realized since the school days that most people don't give a s* what happens to them. Yes, toxic masculinity is indeed a problem, in many ways that hurt both men and those around them. Included in that is a conditioned reluctance for men to seek mental health supports, which is bad, but you can just say that. You don't have to misrepresent the mental health situation by suggesting that there's a gender-specific suicide epidemic. Most saliently, though, you seem to be conflating "men are advantaged" with "no men ever have any problems ever." Those are two very different statements. The former is a statistical claim, the latter an individual one. Individual men having problems does not mean that men don't generally have it easier, on average. Conversely, men generally having it easier on average doesn't mean that individual men can't have legitimate problems, so anyone that dismisses a legitimate problem you have just because you're a man is being an asshole. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965158000] in Amber Hear... [t:80024065]...</cite> <quote>LeetCheet posted... </cite> <quote>Why do we seem to care more about suicide attempts than successful suicides?</quote> How is that what you took away from what I said? LeetCheet posted... </cite> <quote>And what counts as an "attempt" exactly? It could mean anything from threatening to commit suicide to someone or just hurting themselves.</quote> Threatening to commit suicide and hurting themselves are counted as "suicidal ideation" and "self-harm," respectively. Statistics on the matter don't count those as attempts; "attempts" refers specifically to deliberate actions that the individual believes stand a decent chance of ending their life. LeetCheet posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure a majority of men intentionally hurt themselves in various ways anyways that are too subtle for others to pick up like overworking or hurting your fists by punching walls.</quote> And now you've gone from "70% of suicides are men so therefore men have it harder than women" to "well I don't actually have statistics but I'm sure they get hurt a bunch of other ways because of poor mental health and people just don't notice." You're not exactly supporting your desired conclusion very well. LeetCheet posted... </cite> <quote>The difference is that men usually don't tell others how they feel because they've realized since the school days that most people don't give a s* what happens to them.</quote> Yes, toxic masculinity is indeed a problem, in many ways that hurt both men and those around them. Included in that is a conditioned reluctance for men to seek mental health supports, which is bad, but you can just say that. You don't have to misrepresent the mental health situation by suggesting that there's a gender-specific suicide epidemic. Most saliently, though, you seem to be conflating "men are advantaged" with "no men ever have any problems ever." Those are two very different statements. The former is a statistical claim, the latter an individual one. Individual men having problems does not mean that men don't generally have it easier, on average. Conversely, men generally having it easier on average doesn't mean that individual men can't have legitimate problems, so anyone that dismisses a legitimate problem you have just because you're a man is being an asshole. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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