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Kyuubi4269 posted...

In other words:
"Even when problems are addressed, we still think it's a problem, and since it's already defunct, there's nothing you can do to rectify it. Please submit to X group, you are irredeemably a villain for your race."

Yeah, it turns out that if some creep stabs a person a bunch of times, and you confiscate the knife, you still have someone bleeding out on the ground and telling them to walk off the stabbing is not really useful.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The situation is resolved, future people do not have problems going forward, that's all you can ask for.

Even on a very simple, easily understood level, this is so obviously not how reality works. :-/

I dunno, I have trouble engaging with someone who not only is grossly ignorant about these subjects but constantly signals that he's completely disinterested in actually learning anything and bettering himself. *shrug* I should not have to explain to an adult human being how reality works.

Barring forced labor for criminals, the final legal loopholes that let people continue chattel slavery in the USA ended in the 1940s. The US government repeatedly either directly seized the assets of (see Andrew Johnson taking the land that was granted to freed slaves away) or allowed for the seizure and destruction of the property of marginalized people (this happened in my town to Chinese American people, for example), which crippled them economically.

"BUT THAT'S THE PAST SO IT HAS NO IMPACT. WHAT EVEN IS CAUSE AND EFFECT? WHAT IS TIME ANYWAY? I DON'T KNOW."

I refuse to believe that you are so stupid that you can't understand how it might be that a kid whose parents inherited property from their grandparents has an edge over a kid whose parents had no inheritance because their grandparents' property either never existed owing to them being slaves or was destroyed or seized during a race riot thanks to the actions of the US government. That can be the difference between you being housed or homeless, or being able to go to a decent school, or being able to get a higher education, or being able to go to a fucking doctor if you need to, which means it can be the difference between whether or not you get to live long enough to find some bootstraps to attempt to pull yourself up by.

There are people, to this very day, that get shitty medical care because outdated medical textbooks have racist misinformation in them that was designed to post-hoc justify the abuse and neglect of people of color. I hate to break the news to you, Kyuubi, but it turns out that things that happened earlier have an impact on what happens now and what happens now has an impact on what happens in the future, and if there are bad things happening now, you have to actually work to fix them.
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/cause-and-effect-examples.html

Krazy_Kirby posted...

race isn't a social construct, their are biological differences (and I'm not talking about skin color).
admitting there are differences doesn't mean they are bad.

That does not make it not a social construct... do you not know what a social construct is? Like... you think all these scientists telling you that race is a social construct don't know that ancestral phenotype traits exist?
Money is a social construct, that doesn't mean money isn't real. :-/

Hmm, how do I explain this? Social constructions around phenotype traits have varied wildly across times and places.... eh, I'm too tired for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVmj8dDx9yY