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adjl posted...

Really, murder is bad for two reasons: It deprives the victim of their ability to live their desired life (oversimplifying, but that's the gist of it), and it causes great sorrow and hardship for everyone that cares for and/or depends upon the victim.

...somehow one of those reasons seems far worse than the other. Being overly concerned about how somebody's death affects everybody else is kinda narcissistic sociopathic behavior. The concern should almost exclusively be around the deceased.

adjl posted...

In the case of fetal homicide/abortion, the victim doesn't particularly have a desired life (being barely conscious and whatnot), so the only consideration is the loss that would be suffered by those that care for it. Before birth, that's pretty much just the parents, so in the case of abortion, they consent to that loss and no actual harm is done (again, oversimplifying it, abortion's generally a pretty emotional experience). In the case of fetal homicide, they don't consent to that loss, so harm is done.

Which was also the historical argument for infanticide and child slaying. The idea that children's lives somehow don't have value is deeply disturbing. And, as a society, we already make some highly questionable choices where a parent's comfort is prioritized over a child's safety and well-being. It's like there's a disconnect where people don't realize that those same children either grow up to become adults or might have grown up to become adults

And even the claim that it's about protecting women's rights kinda rings hollow when female children are the primary victim of these practices, or are hurt at a 50/50 rate when we decide -- for instance -- that a mother's right to over-drink is more important than a baby not being born with fetal alcohol syndrome (and let bartenders, whose job it is to prevent clients from self-abuse, get sued for discrimination in cases like those)

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