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xp1337 08/26/21 6:25:07 AM #154:	Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Azure Moon beated. Out of Crimson Flower, Silver Snow, and now Azure Moon I think I'd say it's my least favorite of the three. I feel like it makes the decision to focus on Dimitri's ~~revenge/fall and then the redemption story~~ but there's a few problems it runs into there. The primary one, I feel, is that it centers on Edelgard far more than it should on a number of levels. Like, it's tough for me to put this into words because it's a bit tangled I feel but... the focus on Edelgard makes sense in the Chapter 11-17ish range with Dimitri's complete mental unraveling. I've commented on how it's definitely interesting coming at this story having played Crimson Flower/Silver Snow to have a fuller picture of Dimitri's accusations against Edelgard and I'm fine with that - Dimitri is not well at this point in the story and the game doesn't shy away from that. But then once he recovers I feel it completely loses focus and clings to the Edelgard-Dimitri relationship to its detriment. Trying to unravel the truth behind Duscur? It comes up here and there in cutscenes but it's largely a sideshow to the war against the Empire and never actually answered satisfactorily. Gilbert comes up with a theory that sounds good but Dimitri doesn't like it and you never really know for sure. In theory that's fine. Dimitri having to come to terms with the event that traumatized him being an unanswerable mystery with signs that the answer is probably completely wrong from what he had gone on believing for all that time can be an interesting one but again it all feels pretty secondary or even tertiary to the plot. So back to Edelgard, since that's where the story chooses to place its focus with the war and all it goes back to this... only I don't really think they sell it well enough if that's going to be the main thrust of the narrative? Like you get one flashback to Kid Dimitri and El in Part 1 and another towards the very end in Part 2. You're told Dimitri fell in love with her and all but I don't really feel like the emotional power is there with it. Now this part is specifically a gripe with knowledge/experience of Silver Snow (and to a lesser extent Crimson Flower): I also think it kind of derails Edelgard's character at the very end for basically no reason. Edelgard becoming a Dark Souls boss for the final chapter is weird but "okay." I guess they just couldn't have the final boss be a normal person for whatever silly reason. Just give Edelgard monster health bars anyway or like 300 HP but whatever fine that's not really my problem here. I think Edelgard's end here is just... really poorly done. Like Silver Snow had it done damn near perfectly. You're in the same map but she stays human and then the cutscene where Byleth kills her is honestly perhaps the most emotionally powerful scene in all 3 routes I've played. Why they replace it with the attack on Dimitri and her getting killed in return with no dialogue I have no earthly idea. Like I'm head-canoning that she was intentionally provoking that response because she realized Dimitri wouldn't willingly kill her otherwise and she knew that for the sake of Fodlan's future she had to die there. Like hell, just re-use the Silver Snow cutscene it's just literally a million times better. just paste a still picture of Dimitri in the background or something. Ugh. Oh right, it's a bit funny I consider this more a secondary problem with the route but: We uh, we really just kinda stealth Bad End'd there, didn't we? Just let Those Who Slither In The Dark run away and live to try again in another few years/decades/centuries seriously they've been operating for at least 1200 years and still have weaponry way beyond anything Fodlan has so like even if they poured a lot of resources into this attempt they also very much did not even bother to play/use their best cards so they still have them. Heck, if you kill Myson before routing the other TWSITD enemies on the last map they literally get away with just Dimitri like "Huh. Guess they really weren't Empire military?" (If you save him for last you just skip that dialogue.) Comically, the Byleth/Hapi paired ending even confirms my suspicions that they indeed are still around and even caused trouble later down the line! Who knows if they were decisively defeated that time either? If this were an intentional "whoops on this route you forgot to pursue the evil masterminds" kind of twist I'd actually kinda dig it but I don't think that was the intent! Anyway, I spent most of this post discussing my issues with the route but I still enjoyed it. I definitely wonder how I'd be feeling if I played it first like Leon did (IIRC) because I definitely think that would be a different experience. still team edelgard At some point I'll play Golden Deer/Verdant Wind to complete the 4th and last route for me but definitely not for a while, I was feeling some definite fatigue from about mid/late Azure Moon. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:957450028] in SaveEstell... [t:79607927]...</cite> <quote>Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Azure Moon beated. Out of Crimson Flower, Silver Snow, and now Azure Moon I think I'd say it's my least favorite of the three. I feel like it makes the decision to focus on Dimitri's revenge/fall and then the redemption story but there's a few problems it runs into there. The primary one, I feel, is that it centers on Edelgard far more than it should on a number of levels. Like, it's tough for me to put this into words because it's a bit tangled I feel but... the focus on Edelgard makes sense in the Chapter 11-17ish range with Dimitri's complete mental unraveling. I've commented on how it's definitely interesting coming at this story having played Crimson Flower/Silver Snow to have a fuller picture of Dimitri's accusations against Edelgard and I'm fine with that - Dimitri is not well at this point in the story and the game doesn't shy away from that. But then once he recovers I feel it completely loses focus and clings to the Edelgard-Dimitri relationship to its detriment. Trying to unravel the truth behind Duscur? It comes up here and there in cutscenes but it's largely a sideshow to the war against the Empire and never actually answered satisfactorily. Gilbert comes up with a theory that sounds good but Dimitri doesn't like it and you never really know for sure. In theory that's fine. Dimitri having to come to terms with the event that traumatized him being an unanswerable mystery with signs that the answer is probably completely wrong from what he had gone on believing for all that time can be an interesting one but again it all feels pretty secondary or even tertiary to the plot. So back to Edelgard, since that's where the story chooses to place its focus with the war and all it goes back to this... only I don't really think they sell it well enough if that's going to be the main thrust of the narrative? Like you get one flashback to Kid Dimitri and El in Part 1 and another towards the very end in Part 2. You're told Dimitri fell in love with her and all but I don't really feel like the emotional power is there with it. Now this part is specifically a gripe with knowledge/experience of Silver Snow (and to a lesser extent Crimson Flower): I also think it kind of derails Edelgard's character at the very end for basically no reason. Edelgard becoming a Dark Souls boss for the final chapter is weird but "okay." I guess they just couldn't have the final boss be a normal person for whatever silly reason. Just give Edelgard monster health bars anyway or like 300 HP but whatever fine that's not really my problem here. I think Edelgard's end here is just... really poorly done. Like Silver Snow had it done damn near perfectly. You're in the same map but she stays human and then the cutscene where Byleth kills her is honestly perhaps the most emotionally powerful scene in all 3 routes I've played. Why they replace it with the attack on Dimitri and her getting killed in return with no dialogue I have no earthly idea. Like I'm head-canoning that she was intentionally provoking that response because she realized Dimitri wouldn't willingly kill her otherwise and she knew that for the sake of Fodlan's future she had to die there. Like hell, just re-use the Silver Snow cutscene it's just literally a million times better. just paste a still picture of Dimitri in the background or something. Ugh. Oh right, it's a bit funny I consider this more a secondary problem with the route but: We uh, we really just kinda stealth Bad End'd there, didn't we? Just let Those Who Slither In The Dark run away and live to try again in another few years/decades/centuries seriously they've been operating for at least 1200 years and still have weaponry way beyond anything Fodlan has so like even if they poured a lot of resources into this attempt they also very much did not even bother to play/use their best cards so they still have them. Heck, if you kill Myson before routing the other TWSITD enemies on the last map they literally get away with just Dimitri like "Huh. Guess they really weren't Empire military?" (If you save him for last you just skip that dialogue.) Comically, the Byleth/Hapi paired ending even confirms my suspicions that they indeed are still around and even caused trouble later down the line! Who knows if they were decisively defeated that time either? If this were an intentional "whoops on this route you forgot to pursue the evil masterminds" kind of twist I'd actually kinda dig it but I don't think that was the intent! Anyway, I spent most of this post discussing my issues with the route but I still enjoyed it. I definitely wonder how I'd be feeling if I played it first like Leon did (IIRC) because I definitely think that would be a different experience. still team edelgard At some point I'll play Golden Deer/Verdant Wind to complete the 4th and last route for me but definitely not for a while, I was feeling some definite fatigue from about mid/late Azure Moon. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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