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Topic	Thing that people warned would happen in Afghanistan happened in Afghanistan
Far-Queue 08/16/21 10:46:18 AM #25:	The more I read about this the more fucked the whole situation is. This is the culmination of 20 years of failures, both in Afghanistan and in DC. The US was in a very difficult spot. Trump had brokered a deal with the Taliban to facilitate US troop withdrawal. They left the Afghan government out of the negotiations, and basically gave Afghanistan up to the Taliban on a platter for assurances that the Taliban would not attack US forces as they withdrew. They also got Taliban prisoners released. Really, the Taliban got pretty much everything they could want from the deal, and the US got very little in kind. This deal left Biden in a tight spot. Does he move forward with Trump's plan to cut and run and throw away 20 years of half-assed progress? Or does he break the deal set in place with the Taliban and risk emboldening them to attack US forces? Ultimately, we know the answer. I still question the means with which the withdrawal was carried out, but not so much the withdrawal itself. The Afghan government the US had installed was rife with corruption and grotesquely ineffective. I had heard of the corruption of course, for a long time now, but recent news reports have been eye opening. Could we have left a force there to support the Afghan army? Possibly. That may have broken the deal set in place with the Taliban, however. This would've triggered conflict for sure and led to significant destabilization, perhaps not on the scale we're seeing but certainly would've been a terrific setback, and led to more US deaths. Long-term there would have had to have been a near-complete overhaul of the government the US put there in the first place. Like I said earlier, this would take decades. Not so sure it would be worth it, but as I said earlier in light of how heavily invested the US is there it certainly should've been considered. However, given the details I've read on Trump's awful deal with the Taliban, I'm not sure there was much of an option there. To be clear, I'm not placing the blame solely on Trump's shoulders. As I said, this is the culmination of 20 years of bullshit. It's a fucking mess there. It's a travesty how this is playing out. No decision could be the right decision. They're all bad decisions with differing levels of bullshit attached to them. --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "I'm a pathetic Simp and am proud to be exploited" - Lord_Shadow <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:957134567] in Thing that... [t:79615119]...</cite> <quote>The more I read about this the more fucked the whole situation is. This is the culmination of 20 years of failures, both in Afghanistan and in DC. The US was in a very difficult spot. Trump had brokered a deal with the Taliban to facilitate US troop withdrawal. They left the Afghan government out of the negotiations, and basically gave Afghanistan up to the Taliban on a platter for assurances that the Taliban would not attack US forces as they withdrew. They also got Taliban prisoners released. Really, the Taliban got pretty much everything they could want from the deal, and the US got very little in kind. This deal left Biden in a tight spot. Does he move forward with Trump's plan to cut and run and throw away 20 years of half-assed progress? Or does he break the deal set in place with the Taliban and risk emboldening them to attack US forces? Ultimately, we know the answer. I still question the means with which the withdrawal was carried out, but not so much the withdrawal itself. The Afghan government the US had installed was rife with corruption and grotesquely ineffective. I had heard of the corruption of course, for a long time now, but recent news reports have been eye opening. Could we have left a force there to support the Afghan army? Possibly. That may have broken the deal set in place with the Taliban, however. This would've triggered conflict for sure and led to significant destabilization, perhaps not on the scale we're seeing but certainly would've been a terrific setback, and led to more US deaths. Long-term there would have had to have been a near-complete overhaul of the government the US put there in the first place. Like I said earlier, this would take decades. Not so sure it would be worth it, but as I said earlier in light of how heavily invested the US is there it certainly should've been considered. However, given the details I've read on Trump's awful deal with the Taliban, I'm not sure there was much of an option there. To be clear, I'm not placing the blame solely on Trump's shoulders. As I said, this is the culmination of 20 years of bullshit. It's a fucking mess there. It's a travesty how this is playing out. No decision could be the right decision. They're all bad decisions with differing levels of bullshit attached to them. --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "I'm a pathetic Simp and am proud to be exploited" - Lord_Shadow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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