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TopicPolice show up to black man's house, he excercises his legal rights and get shot
Monolith1676
08/02/21 9:55:52 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Just some things to note here.

1. Telling police you are "not someone to fuck with" then taking your gun out and putting it on display is criminal menacing. In Texas, it would at least fall under probable cause to arrest under Deadly Conduct or Aggravated Assault. This is an unprovoked escalation from the suspect. No, police conducting a legal investigation into a reckless driving call is not "escalation". They have a legal right to conduct their investigation.
2. It looks like police remained on the sidewalk until the suspect took out his gun. It's also probably about this point when the police grabbed the bean bagger.
3. Inconspicuous edit at 2:02 where some exchange just seems to vanish. Doesn't seem particularly transparent of the video uploader.
4. Police did try to de-escalate. They tried to ask him his name, they tried to tell him they just wanted to talk, ect. They kept a calm tone and a safe distance. They did not start shooting when they first saw the gun and calmly told him to put it down.
5. Another inconspicuous edit at 2:20 right when the suspect begins to yell at the police again. Hmm. I'm guessing they didn't edit out sections where the suspect is trying to reasonably explain himself. If he is making actionable threats to police during these edited periods it would mean the justification for an Aggravated Assault charge is a sure thing.
6. There is several seconds after the suspect gets shot with a bean bag where he is clearly aware he was not shot with a bullet, then draws his gun, says again "I'm not a motherfucker you want to fuck with", and starts approaching them with his gun drawn. Several seconds. This was not a "bang-bang" situation. The suspect did not try to retreat. The suspect did not obey police orders. The suspect approached police officers with a gun with the obvious intent to shoot at them while his wife pleaded with him not to.
7. Being shot with a bean bag by police does not give you a legal right to self-defense against police. You do not have a legal right to self-defense against police except under the absolutely most specific circumstances. This is not one of them. Police are clearly detaining this man for questioning. After he begins to criminally menace, they are allowed to order him to drop the weapon and put his hands up, then arrest him. You have to cooperate with police. Does that make your skin tingle? Guess what, you have to do all kinds of things in society. It's just how it works. We draw the lines at certain things and call it "freedom". The right to criminally menace with a firearm then disobey police after is not one of those things.
8. As an aside, drawing a gun on police is always the worst thing you could ever do. Even if you are in a shoot out with police. Even if you have already been shot by police. It is never the right move. Your gun does not make you safe. Asking civilians not to draw guns on police, attack police, or run away from police is not asking for a higher standards from civilians. It's literally asking for the bare minimum. And I can't stress this enough. It's literally the bare minimum standards not to shoot at, attack, or run away from police. No, that doesn't justify every police shooting. But it is an indictment into how absolutely fucking stupid you need to be to try this. It doesn't work. You will get hurt or die or go to prison for 20 years, and also lose any right to compensation through our justice system. Your fate is always going to be worse than if you just comply. Stop encouraging this kind of behavior. Stop treating these people like heroes. It does a disservice to those who lose their life to blatant police abuse and it encourages more fool-hardy idiots to try the same thing.

This was a good read.

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