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Lokarin posted...

Mainly because an analysis of American culture doesn't tend to have practical application to ancient China.

This is modern day, right now, China I'm discussing. And it does because it means you've effectively made up a definition to further a point that doesn't make sense.

wydrah posted...

I do not think you know what cultural hegemony is.

Yes, non-European countries have been colonizers as well. But European colonialism is far more prevalent and damaging on a global scale. So of course that's my focus, particularly on a topic about racism in America, which also happens to be the strongest empire the world has ever known.

You want to discuss exceptions as if they are the rule.

I do know what it is. I also know you don't have an argument because you can't give viable definitions that don't invalidate your arguments. You've changed what defines colonialism three times minimum in this topic alone to suit your choice of a narrative and, frankly, only the one Lokarin gave holds any water. You're throwing around terms like 'damaging' without defining what that actually means, talking about how it's damaging on a global scale yet saying you're definitions only apply on a national scale, and discussing exceptions as if they are exceptions instead of simply part of a rule that's larger than your tiny definition allows for. Your own hyper-focusing on one specific set of colonial powers (and, let's be honest, you haven't really talked about the French, Spanish, Portuguese, or even the English outside of specifically American colonial issues.) means we have no choice BUT to speak about exceptions to a rule because you'll only talk about one example!

All for what? So you can say an Irish man who fled to America during the potato famines is part of a cultural hegemony that groups him in the same group as the English he fled from? That a family who lost members to the Nazi's are the same as them because they're part of a cultural hegemon? That the solution to past discrimination is present discrimination and the solution to present discrimination is future discrimination like a racist Ouroboros?

You're clinging to an ideology that only exists in a vacuum, can only define itself through struggle and oppression, ignores reality, and does nothing but spread strife and misery. You can't even account for what happens in other countries without having to rework how your entire vocabulary works simply because it ONLY works in an extremely specific time, place, and viewpoint! By the logic presented I could claim almost any group is a member of the oppressed and the oppressor because, shockingly, history isn't some neat little box in which one group of people are universal monsters simply because they fit into a cultural hegemon.

There's tons of people in America who aren't racist yet would fit in your definition of 'white'. People who work hard to help their friends and family, who love, care, and help people in need of help. You are saying that this is all irrelevant and that they are oppressors. What of yourself? Do YOU fit the classification of 'white'?

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