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SunWuKung420 posted...

Suffering is a matter of perspective.

Growth requires pain.

Dwelling creates suffering.

Pain strengthens existence.

Suffering diminishes existence.

Existence is a necessity.

I don't believe that is the case. Some people have higher tolerances for it but everyone has their limits and weaknesses. Every single person who has ever said that suffering is an illusion or some such and we need not feel it could be made to suffer badly enough they begged for death under the right circumstances. It would be very real for them in those moments, and ultimately that's all that matters, that any human can be put into that state.

I would actually agree with this. Even if the pain is minor or very brief all positive growth requires it. However this is only a one way street, all growth requires pain but not all pain results in growth, some of it is entirely pointless and some of it results in negative growth.

Absolutely it does, but so do many other things. Trying to avoid all suffering is a fool's errand since even the act of trying to live like that would cause suffering. The best we can do is try to avoid the major pitfalls such as dwelling on things, but like every human endeavors we can only do that imperfectly.

Like I said for growth, some types of pain do impart strength but not all, and like I said with perspective everyone has a limit to how much pain they can endure before giving them more is simply sadistic and will not benefit the person in any way.

Well I can't find any way to disagree with that one.

Sorry but I don't think so. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it, it still makes a sound. At the very least we have ample proof the universe got on just fine before the advent of humanity so there's no reason to suspect our existence is necessary in any way shape or form.

Thank you for the interesting post, it actually was thought provoking.