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Zedonra posted...

I don't know if the anti natalist perspective means much versus just hoping for the mass and quick extinction of all humankind (and all life). If you're being an absolute realist humanist who hates human suffering then life is inherently evil because it brings about suffering inherently and the world is a really unfair, cruel, and unjust place (not to mention all the horrific things we lucky 1st worlders don't see on a daily basis and ignore the fact that they exist). You can't really stop people from procreating even if you adopt this perspective, so you have to hope for a global extinction event (or bring it about yourself with global thermonuclear war, but you'd have to be one hell of a powerful human with luck on their side too to bring that extinction about yourself. And even then global thermonuclear war could leave survivors. Maybe in the future when we understand science to the point where we could annihilate the earth in a quick fell swoop). The quickest death that could be imparted to all life on this planet is probably spaghettification by a wandering black hole or gamma ray burst. Not sure how quick exactly and how much pain would be caused by either extinction event in the moments before death.

I wouldn't be opposed to a sudden mass extinction mostly because as you say my suggestions for a peaceful man made one are extremely unlikely to pass. Realistically we're looking at a long and drawn out, unplanned one with unnecessary suffering, but even that is better than no extinction at all. I talk about anti-natalism since as impractical as it is, it's still something that isn't just a hope or a dream, something that places the power to choose in the hands of the individual.

ReturnOfFa posted...

PS the animal kingdom also creates suffering, even though they are of nature. Should they be controlled? Will they create magical peace Earth after humans peacefully die off? LOL NO MOTHERFUCKER!!!

Nonhuman animals are effectively biological automata simply following the program that is DNA that tells them to replicate endlessly for no reason. They aren't nearly as relevant as humanity since some of us are actually capable of going against our programming and seeing it for the pointless sham that it is. Humans are uniquely able to reach the conclusions I've come to not just because of our intelligence but also something that no wild animals has, free time. Time to ponder is what gives birth to philosophy. Many humans are living lives akin to animals where all they do is think about how to get by, how to put food on the table one more day, they have no time for higher thoughts than that and so they dismiss those who do, that is happening itt but imagine if I went to some 3rd world country and tried this there, I would be ridiculed far more if not seen as insane.

This time to think is both a blessing and a curse, it is the reason suicide and rates of depression are so much higher in the 1st world than the 3rd world, but I'm glad I had it and was able to utilize it. The point I'm trying to get to is that as the world becomes more and more advanced (automation, ubi, etc) and more and more of humanity is given this time you will see more and more people come to the same conclusion I have. Humans are special, we need to use that speciality to break the chains that have enslaved us, the other animals aren't as lucky so they will just have to live out their days under their yoke.