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Mad_Max posted...

Feel bad for TC, honestly. Imagine being so consumed with suffering that you don't see a point to existing any more. Like, I've cut off a finger. Lost my mother to a car accident. I've experienced some pretty hefty pain and trauma in my life, but I have never sunk so low that I'd want all of humanity to die off. I enjoy life, despite the "sad bits". He must be miserable. Poor fella :(

And trying to pass it off like it's some noble effort, preventing potential future suffering in unborn children?? That's some flawed rationale if I've ever heard it.

"Someone might stub their toe, so I better cut every human being's feet off"

That's stupid.

And that half-baked "well you only perceive joy because you suffer and vice versa blah blah blah" - that's all bullshit. You still experience joy and happiness, and many people go through life feeling happy a majority of the time. Why would you want to rob future people of a life of happiness and fulfillment, just to avoid a small percentage of suffering.

Imagine feeling so hopeless that you'd rather give up on humanity, rather than work to make life better and address the problems we face.

And the gall to think that because you can't enjoy life, that somehow think you know what's best for everyone else. If you're so miserable, focus on your own problems. Where do you get off feeling like you can speak for the entire world on this matter?

Seriously, tell your cousin or sister or aunt or whomever that they should get a hysterectomy so they prevent their unborn children from suffering, and see what kind of a reaction you get.

This is one of the dumbest topics I've seen on this board. And there's been a lot of dumb topics on this board.

Keep your fake sympathy, I've never once said I find life to be disagreeable. Someone can be an anti-natalist and love life, there is no conflict of interest there. So many of you seem to have trouble distinguishing between those currently living and those yet to live, current humanity can do as they please with their own lives but by bringing another human into existence they are immorally involving someone else.

What is so flawed about that line of thought? It is undeniable that all humans suffer, it is undeniable that all humans are born, it is therefore undeniable that all humans who are born suffer. Truthfully the burden of explaining why this is acceptable should fall on the people bringing these humans into existence, I shouldn't even need to point these simple facts out.

In your "example" the act of cutting off all feet would cause immeasurably more suffering than the occasional stubbed toe. If you honestly believe that is a valid analogy for what I'm saying then you are effectively saying that the non-act of not being born is far more painful and debilitating than the suffering inherent to life. You're going to need to explain this, do you believe that before being born everyone has a soul that is tortured endlessly in some hellscape or something? How can someone who doesn't exist feel pain? Also by your logic people would have a moral duty to have as many children as they possibly could since they would be "saving them" from "having their feet cut off" in exchange for life as a human which is only like "stubbing a toe". Please explain yourself here.

I see you go on to literally say that the extinction of humanity would "rob" future people of the chance to experience happiness... so you do actually think people have a duty to have as many children as they can? I mean otherwise those people are being immoral for "robbing" their potential children right? Tell me, every time you see a woman who isn't pregnant do you feel sad for her potential child who could have fun one day if only she got knocked up? Sorry but that sounds insane to me.

As I've pointed out all problems humanity face are intrinsically tied to being alive. Anyone who claims to be a humanitarian and doesn't advocate for human extinction is incredibly inefficient and ineffectual at best and a blatant hypocrite at worse. Human suffering will exist as long a single human does, if you're cool with pointless suffering then fine but some people aren't.

There is a very simple formula that shows I am correct, at least from the moral perspective. I posted it ages ago (post #26) and only a single person even acknowledged it and only to futilely try to poke holes in it. I'm not saying everyone has to do the morally correct thing in every instance but they should at least be able to admit they are acting selfishly (having a child) openly. That is the first step to change.

Unfortunately even that is too much for most given the reactions I've gotten itt. The average person is too indoctrinated by breeder society and has vested interests in continuing it, not to mention wanting to avoid the cognitive dissonance the truth of my philosophy brings them.