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kind9 posted...

I'm not just describing it that way, it's a fact. It's not sound or practical philosophy. Can you name more philosophies that can be described that way and aren't totally fringe beliefs? Philosophy is one of the most used and abused fields of study so just because it's philosophy doesn't mean it's anything.

Huh? I didn't make a point about breeding animals. I asked if you extend antinatalism to all other animals. Because evolution from extant animals into intelligent, human-like beings doesn't seem so far-fetched to me and would happen long before the sun dies in 5-6 billion years.

It's not just unpopular, my dude, it's extremism.

I could give some examples but what is the point given that last sentence of yours in the first paragraph, you clearly don't know much about or respect philosophy, and beyond that it isn't really relevant. I'll keep referring to my thoughts as a philosophy but if you don't like that just mentally sub out the word for something else, it doesn't really matter.

Once again you don't seem to know what you're on about. The sun won't consume the earth for another 5-6 billion years as you say but will be close enough and hot enough to boil the oceans away in a "mere" 1 billion. Life as we know it will be impossible long before that even too as even a few degrees difference throws off the balance catastrophically. Basically there is zero chance of a comparable species to humanity evolving on this planet before it is destroyed, thankfully.

Asking people to think about someone other than themselves when they want to breed and refraining if they come to the conclusion that doing so would not be in the best interests of their potential child is common decency, so I suppose that must be extremism these days. The funny thing is most people would actually agree with that statement in "extreme" cases, that is most people would say a person has a moral duty not to reproduce in such a situation where their child is guaranteed to needlessly suffer and die young, say from some latent genetic disorder the parents share. All I'm saying is that mindset should be expanded to all births as life only promises needless suffering and death for everyone and nothing more.

...I suppose it is extreme in the same way as when the majority of humanity participated in slavery saying such a thing as "maybe consider how your slaves feel about being slaves and release them if you think it's unfair to them" would be considered extreme and would provoke violent and bewildered responses not just from slave owners but nearly anyone not a slave themselves since those words pleading for the moral treatment of fellow humans threatens the structure of the society they were accustomed to. So fine, I suppose I can accept the label of extreme but I don't think that makes me wrong at all.