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sodium-chloride posted...

I'm a pretty firm believer that there is nothing unselfish about having a kid in this day and age. If you want to have one, that's fine. But you're not really doing the world any favors by having one.

Can I ask why the state of the potential child isn't apparently relevant? Each parent who decides to have a child is playing Russian roulette with someone else, Russian roulette where even if they hit a blank the game continues until a bullet is fired. I think the state of the child is more important than if they're doing the world a favor or not.

NemesisOgreKing posted...

It feels unethical to force another person into existence against their will.

So we agree on the main point, not sure why you felt the need to call me out for my "pretentious bullshit" when we are in the same camp. The main difference would be that I only consider the state of the world as a further negative on top of the base negative of human existence. You can't find a single point in human history or prehistory where the evils and pain of existence don't manifest after all, they are an intrinsic part of this world.

Ironically, other than climate change, this era isn't even that bad, relatively speaking, on the other points you mentioned. Things like crime, scarcity, and the wealth gap are lower than they've been for probably 99% of humanity's lifespan. If you feel it's not fair to bring someone into THIS current world, you practically have to agree that it wouldn't be fair to bring someone into most times unless you have some really skewed priorities.