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TopicDEMOCRAT says she was HORRIFIED to see a WOMAN with PENIS at an ASIAN SPA!!!
Sahuagin
07/19/21 12:53:50 AM
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adjl posted...
The question is whether or not it's reasonable to be upset by naked trans people in an environment where naked people are expected. It has everything to do with trans people and everything to do with whether or not they're being accepted (and, in turn, to their suicide risk).
no because the issue would still exist if a woman entered a unisex spa without realizing that there would be male nudity. trans is not the problem at all. being able to enter a situation with opposite-sex nudity without realizing (or wanting) it is the problem.

adjl posted...
Spongebob tattoo
because there is an implicit agreement between people that they will generally not be exposed to nudity without their consent, even to the degree that in the majority of environments it would be illegal to do so; whereas there are no such generally accepted rules regarding random cartoon characters. (this is of course due to the sexual-related nature of nudity, even when it is not explicitly sexual). (and consent to be exposed to female nudity is not consent to be exposed to male nudity and vice-versa.)

adjl posted...
not anything inherently immoral about nudity
nudity is not intrinsically immoral, nudity without consent is, which you just glossed over

adjl posted...
If that shocks you
it's not that it shocks me, if that's your position that's your position.

if it's not clear, I'm not going to say "omg everyone, adjl thinks <thing>!", I will only take into consideration what you're saying and see if I should update my own thinking likewise, or not

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