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Topic	So is Israel at war with someone?
wpot 05/13/21 9:12:51 AM #113:	Mead posted... dude the Palestinians living in that region dont even have a government or representation Well, yes, they have leadership that they vote for (PLO, Hamas, whatever). Those governments are just as much resistance (and terrorist) organizations as they are governments, which is not particularly surprising given the situation...although the terrorism can't be condoned. There is wide support for the terrorism among the Palestinians: it's incorrect to believe that it's just a few bad actors. Buut... Ferarri619 posted... ...And you would be okay with your government placing those rockets right by your house and by other innocent people, including children, using all of you as a sacrifice so that government can play victim? The actions are wrong. There would be better ways for the Palestinians to gain attention for their plight (mass non-violent demonstrations, etc). But focusing on individual actions linked to a broader situation (even if they are terrorist actions) is classic political misdirection. Look how wrong my opponent is: that's terrible! (And while the media is eating this up I'll use the opportunity to repress them further) In short, Netanyahu is playing victim no less than the Palestinians...and probably more in the grand scheme of things. The Jews were horrific victims in WWII (and plenty of other times in history) but that doesn't give them a permanent right to play the victim card in every situation. Anyways, to focus on the limited question: would I be happy to have rockets fired from near my house? No, but I'm not in a similar situation. It seems that the Palestinians are fed up enough to believe that they all need to be a part of the resistance and accept some casualties. They continue to vote for their leadership. Also, the alternative to firing rockets from urban areas is to fire them from the desert (and be identified/killed immediately without cover). That also does not seem terribly realistic. Again, though: the rocket/response cycle is NOT the problem. The living/political conditions are the problem. xcrimx posted... Ottoman Syria would never have let this happen Maybe not. But they were weak and ineffective. And if they WEREN'T weak they might still have been attacking their Christian neighbors and selling people from the cities they conquered into slavery. If you look back into history you eventually realize that nobody has their hands clean. The point is to deal with the here and now... --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:953856747] in So is Isra... [t:79453595]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>dude the Palestinians living in that region dont even have a government or representation</quote>Well, yes, they have leadership that they vote for (PLO, Hamas, whatever). Those governments are just as much resistance (and terrorist) organizations as they are governments, which is not particularly surprising given the situation...although the terrorism can't be condoned. There is wide support for the terrorism among the Palestinians: it's incorrect to believe that it's just a few bad actors. Buut... Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>...And you would be okay with your government placing those rockets right by your house and by other innocent people, including children, using all of you as a sacrifice so that government can play victim?</quote>The actions are wrong. There would be better ways for the Palestinians to gain attention for their plight (mass non-violent demonstrations, etc). But focusing on individual actions linked to a broader situation (even if they are terrorist actions) is classic political misdirection. Look how wrong my opponent is: that's terrible! (And while the media is eating this up I'll use the opportunity to repress them further) In short, Netanyahu is playing victim no less than the Palestinians...and probably more in the grand scheme of things. The Jews were horrific victims in WWII (and plenty of other times in history) but that doesn't give them a permanent right to play the victim card in every situation. Anyways, to focus on the limited question: would I be happy to have rockets fired from near my house? No, but I'm not in a similar situation. It seems that the Palestinians are fed up enough to believe that they all need to be a part of the resistance and accept some casualties. They continue to vote for their leadership. Also, the alternative to firing rockets from urban areas is to fire them from the desert (and be identified/killed immediately without cover). That also does not seem terribly realistic. Again, though: the rocket/response cycle is NOT the problem. The living/political conditions are the problem. xcrimx posted... </cite> <quote>Ottoman Syria would never have let this happen</quote>Maybe not. But they were weak and ineffective. And if they WEREN'T weak they might still have been attacking their Christian neighbors and selling people from the cities they conquered into slavery. If you look back into history you eventually realize that nobody has their hands clean. The point is to deal with the here and now... --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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