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Topic	Why do managers care if you take time off?
codey 05/13/21 2:30:41 AM #41:	Darmik posted... Well yeah. If work suffers if an employee is absent for a couple of weeks that is on the manager and not the employee with the leave. If a manager can't handle a single employee going on paid leave they're a shit manager. If the manager isn't given enough resources to manage it they work for a shit company. The one person who isn't at fault is the employee on leave. Obviously, and I never said that. The topic title asked why managers care when employees take time off, and then TC indicated managers have an allegiance to their company and kept asking why they have this attachment. All I was doing was explaining to him that managers don't have an allegiance to the company, they have an allegiance to staying employed. He also said this: Njolk posted... If I was a manager and they didn't give me enough notice I STILL wouldn't care, this is the company's problem, not mine and certainly not the peon's who wants a vacation This indicated that he just doesn't understand what it is to be a manager. I worked as an air traffic controller watch supervisor, and I had to turn down several crew member's leave requests during my career. I didn't do it out of some weird allegiance to the Air Force like he keeps implying, but because approving the leave would mean my crew would not have the number of bodies we needed to open the tower up without stealing guys from another crew and shorthanding them instead. The point is, TC is exhibiting a real lack of understanding of the responsibilities managers actually have, on top of a lack of empathy toward them and their coworkers as they try figure out how to cover for his absence. He's confusing the stress of keeping ones job for a weird allegiance to a company and I think as soon he gets promoted to a management position he's going to find out it's not all about loyalty to the company like he thinks. To be clear, I think we all need more time off. The forty hour work week is too long, and we need more PTO. I just think TC is incredibly nave and doesn't actually understand what managers do and the pressures they're under. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:953851112] in Why do man... [t:79455063]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Well yeah. If work suffers if an employee is absent for a couple of weeks that is on the manager and not the employee with the leave. If a manager can't handle a single employee going on paid leave they're a shit manager. If the manager isn't given enough resources to manage it they work for a shit company. The one person who isn't at fault is the employee on leave.</quote> Obviously, and I never said that. The topic title asked why managers care when employees take time off, and then TC indicated managers have an allegiance to their company and kept asking why they have this attachment. All I was doing was explaining to him that managers don't have an allegiance to the company, they have an allegiance to staying employed. He also said this: Njolk posted... </cite> <quote> If I was a manager and they didn't give me enough notice I STILL wouldn't care, this is the company's problem, not mine and certainly not the peon's who wants a vacation</quote> This indicated that he just doesn't understand what it is to be a manager. I worked as an air traffic controller watch supervisor, and I had to turn down several crew member's leave requests during my career. I didn't do it out of some weird allegiance to the Air Force like he keeps implying, but because approving the leave would mean my crew would not have the number of bodies we needed to open the tower up without stealing guys from another crew and shorthanding them instead. The point is, TC is exhibiting a real lack of understanding of the responsibilities managers actually have, on top of a lack of empathy toward them and their coworkers as they try figure out how to cover for his absence. He's confusing the stress of keeping ones job for a weird allegiance to a company and I think as soon he gets promoted to a management position he's going to find out it's not all about loyalty to the company like he thinks. To be clear, I think we all need more time off. The forty hour work week is too long, and we need more PTO. I just think TC is incredibly nave and doesn't actually understand what managers do and the pressures they're under. --- runs out of topic naked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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