LogFAQs > #953453951

LurkerFAQs, Active DB, DB1, DB2, DB3, DB4, DB5, DB6, DB7, Database 8 ( 02.18.2021-09-28-2021 ), DB9, DB10, DB11, DB12, Clear

Topic List	Page List: 1
Topic	Pro trans sports folks: why should trans women compete in women's leagues?
UnfairRepresent 05/01/21 8:37:27 PM #53:	legendary_zell posted... Because trans men are never part of the conversation in general. Then it's not bigotry then is it? If it's basic science, post the basic science, not anecdotes or sensationalized Youtube videos. The IOC seems to be proceeding based on basic science and allowing trans athletes to compete. That sure as hell doesn't seem to be what you're doing. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/clear-risk-transgender-athletes-facing-ban-from-world-rugby-035031452.html More likely to be injured from competing agaisnt transgenders https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764 Post hormone therapy transgenders still have advantages over biological women. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. All the data is there. Women's leagues were segregated due to a variety of factors ranging from funding, to patriarchy, to Title IX, to yes, concerns over safety. It's not as cut and dried as you're presenting it and I doubt it's something you've ever seriously looked into. What in the fuck are you on about? Womens leagues are the opposite of the patriarchy, they only exist to promote women because women can't compete in the non segregated leagues. You know women are allowed to compete in the MLB, NBA, NFL etc right? SOme even had tryouts? You know there has been intergender Tennis right? IT absolutely is cut and dry, basic biological science. That scenario you're presenting as "not the issue" is exactly what a huge percentage of the people who agree with you think the issue is. It's the most popular argument. That's something you have to deal with by differentiating yourself from that argument. No you're just talking shit again. The most popular argument is "Think of the safety of the girls!" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:953453951] in Pro trans ... [t:79436100]...</cite> <quote> legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Because trans men are never part of the conversation in general. </quote> Then it's not bigotry then is it? <quote> If it's basic science, post the basic science, not anecdotes or sensationalized Youtube videos. The IOC seems to be proceeding based on basic science and allowing trans athletes to compete. That sure as hell doesn't seem to be what you're doing.</quote> https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/clear-risk-transgender-athletes-facing-ban-from-world-rugby-035031452.html More likely to be injured from competing agaisnt transgenders https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764 Post hormone therapy transgenders still have advantages over biological women. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. All the data is there. <quote> Women's leagues were segregated due to a variety of factors ranging from funding, to patriarchy, to Title IX, to yes, concerns over safety. It's not as cut and dried as you're presenting it and I doubt it's something you've ever seriously looked into.</quote> What in the fuck are you on about? Womens leagues are the opposite of the patriarchy, they only exist to promote women because women can't compete in the non segregated leagues. You know women are allowed to compete in the MLB, NBA, NFL etc right? SOme even had tryouts? You know there has been intergender Tennis right? IT absolutely is cut and dry, basic biological science. <quote> That scenario you're presenting as "not the issue" is exactly what a huge percentage of the people who agree with you think the issue is. It's the most popular argument. That's something you have to deal with by differentiating yourself from that argument.</quote> No you're just talking shit again. The most popular argument is "Think of the safety of the girls!" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1