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Topic	Pro trans sports folks: why should trans women compete in women's leagues?
legendary_zell 05/01/21 8:26:42 PM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... "I have no argument so I will insult you." Thi has nothing to do with "bigotry" just basic science. Why do you think womens leagues are segregated in the first place? If it's bigotry, why is there is no oppsition to FtM transgenders competing in "mens leagues."? All you have are insults and evasions. You have no actual points. Yes No, I don't think that's ever really likely to be a thing. Transgender women who are not men have competed in female leagues and had massive unfair advantages due to have male physical bodies Well putting aside the various transgender bans across the country, you're strawmanning. The issue isn't "IF this happens then a flood of men will pretend to be women and take over the WNBA and Frank Mir will become the womens MMA Champion!" The issue is transgender athletes will have a huge advantage over their competiton and permenantly effect the sport. Whether or not the transgenders competing are "Legitimate" is irrelevant to the point, the point is if they should be banned from womens leagues or not Because trans men are never part of the conversation in general. If it's basic science, post the basic science, not anecdotes or sensationalized Youtube videos. The IOC seems to be proceeding based on basic science and allowing trans athletes to compete. That sure as hell doesn't seem to be what you're doing. Women's leagues were segregated due to a variety of factors ranging from funding, to patriarchy, to Title IX, to yes, concerns over safety. It's not as cut and dried as you're presenting it and I doubt it's something you've ever seriously looked into. That scenario you're presenting as "not the issue" is exactly what a huge percentage of the people who agree with you think the issue is. It's the most popular argument. That's something you have to deal with by differentiating yourself from that argument. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:953453640] in Pro trans ... [t:79436100]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>"I have no argument so I will insult you." Thi has nothing to do with "bigotry" just basic science. Why do you think womens leagues are segregated in the first place? If it's bigotry, why is there is no oppsition to FtM transgenders competing in "mens leagues."? All you have are insults and evasions. You have no actual points. Yes No, I don't think that's ever really likely to be a thing. Transgender women who are not men have competed in female leagues and had massive unfair advantages due to have male physical bodies Well putting aside the various transgender bans across the country, you're strawmanning. The issue isn't "IF this happens then a flood of men will pretend to be women and take over the WNBA and Frank Mir will become the womens MMA Champion!" The issue is transgender athletes will have a huge advantage over their competiton and permenantly effect the sport. Whether or not the transgenders competing are "Legitimate" is irrelevant to the point, the point is if they should be banned from womens leagues or not</quote> Because trans men are never part of the conversation in general. If it's basic science, post the basic science, not anecdotes or sensationalized Youtube videos. The IOC seems to be proceeding based on basic science and allowing trans athletes to compete. That sure as hell doesn't seem to be what you're doing. Women's leagues were segregated due to a variety of factors ranging from funding, to patriarchy, to Title IX, to yes, concerns over safety. It's not as cut and dried as you're presenting it and I doubt it's something you've ever seriously looked into. That scenario you're presenting as "not the issue" is exactly what a huge percentage of the people who agree with you think the issue is. It's the most popular argument. That's something you have to deal with by differentiating yourself from that argument. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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