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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

lmao whos arrogant?

I dont believe my goals are possible without class solidarity, YOU think our supposedly shared goals arent happening because people like ME arent trying.

Your genuine lack of respect for the Left has warped your view of politics where you both think its our fault AND we dont actually want to do things YOU say you want. Its absurd.

I don't believe your goals are possible without accepting the fact that we exist under a two-party political system, and one party is a fucking doomsday cult that wants to wipe out any semblance of progressive thought before moving on to any semblance of moderate thought. And so long as one side will back their party in lock step, and the other side has to deal with in-fighting (and while I get annoyed at progressives for this on the board or on Twitter, when I'm with moderates in-person, I get just as frustrated when they complain about AOC, or Bernie, or free college tuition) that inevitably depresses voter turnout and leads to the cult taking power back. I just want everyone who is not Republican to fucking toe the line. Progressives, if you think we can do better than whatever minimum wage increase was on the table, oh well. Fucking go with the Democrats because it's still better than the GOP. Moderates, if you don't think it's fair that kids get free college tuition after you had to pay your way through college, oh well. Fucking go with the Democrats because it's still better than the GOP.

I'm sorry, but whatever idealism I once had towards America died over the course of the 2016/2018/2020 elections. I no longer believe that being morally right and righteous is good enough, if your ideals can be easily stymied and defeated by irrational actors on the other side. The Democrats need to fucking cult up like the GOP and vote together in lockstep. That's the only winning strategy that I see. Just keep fucking voting Democrat and stop letting the Overton window shift to the right. That's the issue. We've shifted so far to the right that basic, moderately-progressive policies are viewed as too extreme for a good portion of the non-GOP population. And that's a big goddamn problem. It's not something that's going to be solved in one big, sweeping movement. It's going to take time and it's going to take constant vigilance. The GOP never have to re-evaluate their strategy because they consistently win on a platform of doing nothing. Their voters reward that. If we beat them and proved that their voters don't matter as much, and that they need to fucking diversify their base, then made we can drag them kicking and screaming back towards the center. And once the other option is actually reasonable, maybe progressive policies will become more acceptable. Maybe minority groups won't have to worry every election whether their rights will be stripped away.

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