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Topic	What are your thoughts on suicide?
Gaawa_chan 01/15/21 5:44:40 AM #42:	aHappySacka posted... It's cowardly, shameful and self-centered, while there are legitimate reasons for it like terminal illness and such there is otherwise never an excuse to do it. It is an insidious notion that there is a noteworthy distinction between being expected to live with chronic physical pain and being expected to live with chronic psychological pain that makes one more legitimate than the other. This idea is not supported by science and indeed there is research that outright contradicts it. You're just wrong. Terminal depression is a physical illness because illnesses of the mind ARE illnesses of the body. As for cowardly? You either believe pain is a valid reason to want to end one's life or you don't. My aunt was not a coward because she wanted to die. Overriding survival instincts is not something cowardice plays any part in. It's usually the opposite; fear of death will stay a sufferer's hand, though not indefinitely as your condition deteriorates. Self-centered? Well, let's look at the main reasons people commit suicide, then: They're in pain. We already covered this. Trauma. Wow, how selfish of them to be traumatized. Fuck those people, amirite? Socioeconomic factors such as financial or social ruin (abuse, or familial rejection, for example). This is just a more specific variant on trauma. They believe they're a burden/the world is better off without them. Huh, that's literally the opposite of selfishness. * They are experiencing some sort of delusion/hallucination/compulsion. No selfishness there. They are experiencing some sort of religious/philosophical crisis regarding either life, death, or sin (for example, if you tell a child that children aren't responsible for their sins until they come of age, you've inadvertently taught that child that they are best off killing themselves before they grow to adulthood in order to avoid Hell). Not as common, but this has nothing to do with whether or not the person is self-centered and more to do with the person's upbringing or religious environment. . Really, it seems to me like you just want to piss on people who are suffering to make yourself feel better. * I've literally seen people say shit like what you just said in one breath and then in the next say the world is better off without them anyway. This attitude is literally part of the problem. I don't know why the fuck so many people think that treating dead people like shit for killing themselves will somehow encourage those who struggle with suicidal ideation to not do so. It has the opposite effect, because you are invalidating their pain and showing them that you are not someone they can trust with it. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:949522193] in What are y... [t:79239275]...</cite> <quote>aHappySacka posted... </cite> <quote>It's cowardly, shameful and self-centered, while there are legitimate reasons for it like terminal illness and such there is otherwise never an excuse to do it.</quote>It is an insidious notion that there is a noteworthy distinction between being expected to live with chronic physical pain and being expected to live with chronic psychological pain that makes one more legitimate than the other. This idea is not supported by science and indeed there is research that outright contradicts it. You're just wrong. Terminal depression is a physical illness because illnesses of the mind ARE illnesses of the body. As for cowardly? You either believe pain is a valid reason to want to end one's life or you don't. My aunt was not a coward because she wanted to die. Overriding survival instincts is not something cowardice plays any part in. It's usually the opposite; fear of death will stay a sufferer's hand, though not indefinitely as your condition deteriorates. Self-centered? Well, let's look at the main reasons people commit suicide, then: They're in pain. We already covered this. Trauma. Wow, how selfish of them to be traumatized. Fuck those people, amirite? Socioeconomic factors such as financial or social ruin (abuse, or familial rejection, for example). This is just a more specific variant on trauma. They believe they're a burden/the world is better off without them. Huh, that's literally the opposite of selfishness. * They are experiencing some sort of delusion/hallucination/compulsion. No selfishness there. They are experiencing some sort of religious/philosophical crisis regarding either life, death, or sin (for example, if you tell a child that children aren't responsible for their sins until they come of age, you've inadvertently taught that child that they are best off killing themselves before they grow to adulthood in order to avoid Hell). Not as common, but this has nothing to do with whether or not the person is self-centered and more to do with the person's upbringing or religious environment. . Really, it seems to me like you just want to piss on people who are suffering to make yourself feel better. * I've literally seen people say shit like what you just said in one breath and then in the next say the world is better off without them anyway. This attitude is literally part of the problem. I don't know why the fuck so many people think that treating dead people like shit for killing themselves will somehow encourage those who struggle with suicidal ideation to not do so. It has the opposite effect, because you are invalidating their pain and showing them that you are not someone they can trust with it. --- Hi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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