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Topic	What will it take to have socialized healthcare?
Wanded 11/10/20 8:57:22 AM #49:	CaptainStrong posted... If I get the freedom to go to any doctor I want because no one's out of network, I lose freedom! I don't want to lose the freedom to choose which company is gonna leech off of me and then stab me in the back and abandon me when I need them most! I want the freedom to go bankrupt if I get cancer! You can take my private health insurance from my cold dead hands! you do you buddy Dynalo posted... You expect us to watch god damn youtube clips when you won't even read articles you posted to defend your arguments? Really? I'll go ahead and just requote what I said, since like your article, you also clearly didn't read what I posted. Note the second sentence there where they still get treatment, but it throws them into financial ruin. And sometimes, like with cancers, they wait too long because "I don't feel that bad and can't afford to go to the doctors". By the time they do go it's too late. This IS well documented. Doctors aren't out there denying treatment. People are dying because they can't afford to even go and see them in the first place. Because people still couldn't afford it. If you live paycheck to paycheck, any price above $0 is too much to go and see a doctor for an annual check up. Only works if you have the money up front and can wait for the tax discount. Therefore doesn't work for those people that are paycheck to paycheck. We agree price is the issue. We disagree on there being a way to fix it without government being involved and insurance going away entirely. Far more people struggle day to day with paying their bills than I believe you realize. I just want these people to be able to go to the doctor and not have to worry about how they'll pay for it. youtube clips are better than articles i really don't get why everybody here keeps whining about them asking for scrolls of text instead which take longer to go through i didn't post it to defend my argument, someone would have needed to actually attack it for me to defend it, i posted it to make clench happy. it's great you wanna see people being taken care of but i don't think putting a gun to peoples heads, taking their money by force and giving it to other people is moral. it is authoritative. charities exist and people can donate if they'd like to, because you personally care about this issue, you can donate to it. imo the focus should be lowering the price and doing things that don't use force or violate freedom. --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:946985114] in What will ... [t:79095084]...</cite> <quote>CaptainStrong posted... </cite> <quote>If I get the freedom to go to any doctor I want because no one's out of network, I lose freedom! I don't want to lose the freedom to choose which company is gonna leech off of me and then stab me in the back and abandon me when I need them most! I want the freedom to go bankrupt if I get cancer! You can take my private health insurance from my cold dead hands!</quote>you do you buddy Dynalo posted... </cite> <quote>You expect us to watch god damn youtube clips when you won't even read articles you posted to defend your arguments? Really? I'll go ahead and just requote what I said, since like your article, you also clearly didn't read what I posted. Note the second sentence there where they still get treatment, but it throws them into financial ruin. And sometimes, like with cancers, they wait too long because "I don't feel that bad and can't afford to go to the doctors". By the time they do go it's too late. This IS well documented. Doctors aren't out there denying treatment. People are dying because they can't afford to even go and see them in the first place. Because people still couldn't afford it. If you live paycheck to paycheck, any price above $0 is too much to go and see a doctor for an annual check up. Only works if you have the money up front and can wait for the tax discount. Therefore doesn't work for those people that are paycheck to paycheck. We agree price is the issue. We disagree on there being a way to fix it without government being involved and insurance going away entirely. Far more people struggle day to day with paying their bills than I believe you realize. I just want these people to be able to go to the doctor and not have to worry about how they'll pay for it.</quote>youtube clips are better than articles i really don't get why everybody here keeps whining about them asking for scrolls of text instead which take longer to go through i didn't post it to defend my argument, someone would have needed to actually attack it for me to defend it, i posted it to make clench happy. it's great you wanna see people being taken care of but i don't think putting a gun to peoples heads, taking their money by force and giving it to other people is moral. it is authoritative. charities exist and people can donate if they'd like to, because you personally care about this issue, you can donate to it. imo the focus should be lowering the price and doing things that don't use force or violate freedom. --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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