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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think it very much counters some of your points. You were talking about stuff like news segments eventually not mattering and stuff like that but if you want to watch that type of content, there is always a new version of it. People don't say something like a nightly talk show is useless even though it's episodes effectively expire, because theres always new content that isn't currently expired that you can watch instead.

The supposition is that you like vtuber content to begin with. If you do, the fact that some of it "expires" is meaningless, because theres always fresh new content of the same type, and almost certainly more than you could possibly consume.

The new content replacing the old is exactly where I was going with my garbage in, garbage out argument. While stuff is constantly being made, it has no lasting value. And then those VTubers fade into obscurity, there's no enduring quality to show for it.

And nightly talk shows are pretty much useless after their initial airing. It's kind of a given. However, even nightly talk shows have more that goes into them than VTubers and other streamers. Even old episodes of game shows -- which also a constant stream of product -- maintain their watchability, unlike those other things (with the exception of game shows that were exclusively contemporary pop culture)

YoukaiSlayer posted...

It's hard stressful work, at least if you want to be good enough to retain viewership and make a living.

Doesn't really sound like an improvement for mangaka then? And, if anything, that's more likely to distract them from working on manga.

In general, Phil DeFranco (the shitty news show Youtuber) has talked about being too scared to go on a vacation because he's worried that in the days he's gone his sub count will tank and he'll lose a good chunk of his audience. Not really a great way to live.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I fully understand the problem. They are too big of an impediment to the bad guys.

Well, that's not really the part I was referencing. Part of the whole mentor theme is that characters need to reach the point when they're able to stand on their own two feet, so killing off a mentor character is designed to stir character growth. Gurren Lagann is a great example, since Simon (sp?) would have languished in his brother's shadow had he not died, at which point he increasingly took the reins. And keep in mind that the character who died wasn't even OP.

Of course, the more classic examples are like Obi-Wan from Star Wars

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Most shonen want to maximize stakes for the main character so the main character needs to be the last line of defense. It just really hurts the story for me when I see a character early on and think "oh, he's too good, there's no way they let him keep being this good". Anything that obvious and that in advance takes tension out of the story.

Yeah, but you have other ways of getting around that beyond killing them off. The hero might get a lot stronger, he might develop some new power, etc, that puts him ahead of the OP character. Or the OP character might suffer some temporary setback that either reduces his power or removes him from the conflict.

In One Piece, Silvers Raleigh was absurdly strong... but after the death of Gold Roger, he chose to go into seclusion. Actually, in OP you have Shanks himself which is among the world's strongest pirates who is destined to survive to the end.

agesboy posted...

the fact that you can't see vtuber content having the same consumption longevity or quality isn't because vtuber content is innately less legitimate but your own shortsightedness for a genre of entertainment you barely know of or partake in

Although you refuse to recognize it, vtubing is just the latest part of a very long content trend. You can pretend that it's a new thing, but it's fundamentally not -- certainly not enough that we can't look at the broader trend to make accurate predictions. At this point, comparable content goes back at least a decade.

Nor is using an animated avatar for a YT personality a new idea. People have been doing that for close in a decade in some cases as well. The way it's done is different, but the concept isn't new.

agesboy posted...

it's literally the same kind of shortsightedness of people who take a glance at anime and dismiss them as children's cartoons, never to be on the level of the real literature that they know so much more about

Except it's not, and you know that's a disingenuous argument. And even the cartoons that weren't high art have often had lasting value, unlike vtubing. Scooby Doo has been a major cultural institution despite the original shows being pretty lousy (although well within the standards of the time). The franchise has done a LOT since then, some good some bad, but all of it is content that you could watch today and still have it be relevant.

However, how much lasting value do you suspect an animated dog vtuber's streams will have? Today they might be moderately entertaining, but the library would have little value and then eventually it would fall into the vast nothing that awaits almost all streams.

But let me ask you something: How many streams have you watched more than once? How many streams do you think you could watch a dozen times? How many streams do you think you could legitimately list as your favorite entertainment ever? While you could argue that vtubing is in its infancy (which it is and isn't), ultimately it's disposable content. As much as I crap on reality tv, at least that has a certain amount of staying power and enough story to it that people will watch it many times and it should hold up decades down the road.


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