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ParanoidObsessive 10/27/20 11:07:58 PM #228:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Beast I am, beast I become. Pigs we get what pigs deserve. Gaze not into the abyss lest ye become a monster. I'm not seeing the difference here. Then you're being kind of obtuse. The first is saying "You have to do shitty things to survive, or you'll wind up be even shittier when you inevitably lose control", and is a specific case that only really applies to vampires in a specific setting (where starving yourself turns you into a mindless hunger monster). You have to do evil, because the alternative is to risk unleashing even greater evil. The second is saying "People suck, and therefore when shitty things happen to people they deserve it", which implies that Trent Reznor got picked on as a kid. The third is saying "Be careful when you're fighting against shitty people, because you can turn into a shitty person in the process", which implies you start using "the ends justify the means" or "fight fire with fire" sort of rationales when you're opposing something, and in the process, start to become just as terrible as the thing you're opposed to. To understand evil is to risk identifying with evil, and in turn, becoming evil. YES, all three involve someone being shitty, but the context in all three cases is different. Situations where one of those applies as advice doesn't really validate the other two. Each has an intended usage that is different from the others. The first and third are almost explicitly contradictory (one can't apply where the other is correct), and the second one is arguing a state where neither of the other two matter because there's no real alternative to being terrible. Sure, any of the three are things you might expect an emo teen to come out with as if it makes them sound profound, but they still mean different things. Zeus posted... What about "You reap what you sow"?! That's yet another variation. It's basically "Shitty things happen to shitty people." It sort of fits somewhere close to the pigs one (which is arguing that everyone is shitty so everyone always deserves the shittiness), but that one is more sort of suggesting that the shitty things happen regardless while this one is sort of implying some mechanism is at work (whether destiny, a judgemental god, or just mechanistic determinism) to ensure that shitty things specifically happen to people who deserve them. Those two you could actually fudge a bit to be more or less the same, but you could also easily interpret them in different ways. shadowsword87 posted... ...Did you just quote VtM unironically? No, I referenced VtM as part of a joke about vampires and then had to explain it unironically. Though liking VtM is nothing to be ashamed of anyway. Not like, say, liking something like Eclipse Phase. ~shudder~ --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:946390597] in GeekHouse ... [t:79003343]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>Beast I am, beast I become. Pigs we get what pigs deserve. Gaze not into the abyss lest ye become a monster. I'm not seeing the difference here.</quote> Then you're being kind of obtuse. The first is saying "You have to do shitty things to survive, or you'll wind up be even shittier when you inevitably lose control", and is a specific case that only really applies to vampires in a specific setting (where starving yourself turns you into a mindless hunger monster). You have to do evil, because the alternative is to risk unleashing even greater evil. The second is saying "People suck, and therefore when shitty things happen to people they deserve it", which implies that Trent Reznor got picked on as a kid. The third is saying "Be careful when you're fighting against shitty people, because you can turn into a shitty person in the process", which implies you start using "the ends justify the means" or "fight fire with fire" sort of rationales when you're opposing something, and in the process, start to become just as terrible as the thing you're opposed to. To understand evil is to risk identifying with evil, and in turn, becoming evil. YES, all three involve someone being shitty, but the context in all three cases is different. Situations where one of those applies as advice doesn't really validate the other two. Each has an intended usage that is different from the others. The first and third are almost explicitly contradictory (one can't apply where the other is correct), and the second one is arguing a state where neither of the other two matter because there's no real alternative to being terrible. Sure, any of the three are things you might expect an emo teen to come out with as if it makes them sound profound, but they still mean different things. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>What about "You reap what you sow"?!</quote> That's yet another variation. It's basically "Shitty things happen to shitty people." It sort of fits somewhere close to the pigs one (which is arguing that everyone is shitty so everyone always deserves the shittiness), but that one is more sort of suggesting that the shitty things happen regardless while this one is sort of implying some mechanism is at work (whether destiny, a judgemental god, or just mechanistic determinism) to ensure that shitty things specifically happen to people who deserve them. Those two you could actually fudge a bit to be more or less the same, but you could also easily interpret them in different ways. <cite>shadowsword87 posted...</cite> <quote>...Did you just quote VtM unironically?</quote> No, I referenced VtM as part of a joke about vampires and then had to explain it unironically. Though liking VtM is nothing to be ashamed of anyway. Not like, say, liking something like Eclipse Phase. ~shudder~ --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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